Yeah seeing this post mixed with the other post about the users elderly relatives saying they don't believe in democracy anymore is giving me what you might call "bad vibes".
I've been hearing that for like 15 years, and 15 years ago when I was a young teenager and a little chud I was saying that myself. Part of my wants to say "no, chuds just say that," but I also think we have reached the point of decline in the empire where it could actually happen.
Interesting. Yeah, I mean, the contradictions are definitely ratcheting up and I'm not sure that Joe von Bidenburg can de-escalate them, and maybe normies are noticing, too. My parents were talking about it again, but they are also chuds and are mad about the election.
I don't think we are there yet because the left doesn't pose enough of a threat to capital for them to put fascists into power, but there are a lot of things that I would consider warning signs.
Sure there are warning signs, but until we have economic issues mirroring cultural I just don't see how it would happen. Maybe if the exurbs become tax free havens and the cities are punished, but again that would hurt da stonks.
We just saw quickly industry will come down on politicians that step out of line. Trump passed the massive tax bill and what is his thanks? The titans of industry won't even let him have a little coup, as a treat. Sad.
He was covering the BLM protests this summer, a lot more people follow him from that probably. From what I can tell, the biggest problem people have with him is that he works for bellingcat, who have been in a long feud with grayzone people and mark ames/War nerd over the proper narrative of the Syria war
Agreed, but his feud with bellingcat is more with the other people, Evans hasn't really been involved with their Syria stuff afaik. More like guilt by association (that part of it, at least)
It Could Happen Here is an essential listen for any American, imo. Civil War 2 always sounds ridiculous upon first hearing it, but then you look at places like Syria, and with convincing arguments, I can definitely see us going down that path in the next few years.
It won’t be Democrats vs Republicans, or liberals vs conservatives. It could start with right wing attacks on highway infrastructure, or city blocks being seized by Nazi groups. Then you get leftist defense groups, followed by clashes between different factions.
I don't think most do. For most, it's whatever aesthetics they think are cool plus whatever group they find some measure of acceptance in, all heavily filtered by the context of their parents' politics and what they think of their parents.
I'm sure there are some really well-read and thoughtful 16-year-olds out there, but that's not the median.
They probably haven't read much more political theory, but they likely know more about the world in general and are likely more committed to whatever they've chosen to believe.
I'm not saying old people are set in their ways permanently and young people aren't; I'm saying old people are more set in their ways. I'm betting it's easier for people to write off stuff they believed in at 15 as a phase than it is for them to write off a decade or two of adult political activity as wrong.
that is true but I don't think older people often being set in stone is necessarily indicative that your average young person knows that much less about politics, hell studies have shown people are worse at recognizing fake news as they age
See, theres your issue; a lot of us didn't talk to people or go outside, so you may as well read about the economy (or, in these guys' cases, about ethnic cleansing or whatever, i guess).
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Yeah seeing this post mixed with the other post about the users elderly relatives saying they don't believe in democracy anymore is giving me what you might call "bad vibes".
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I've been hearing that for like 15 years, and 15 years ago when I was a young teenager and a little chud I was saying that myself. Part of my wants to say "no, chuds just say that," but I also think we have reached the point of decline in the empire where it could actually happen.
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Did she vote before Trump?
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Is it possible she is just watching too much MSNBC?
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Interesting. Yeah, I mean, the contradictions are definitely ratcheting up and I'm not sure that Joe von Bidenburg can de-escalate them, and maybe normies are noticing, too. My parents were talking about it again, but they are also chuds and are mad about the election.
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I just don't see it. Civil war over what? Cultural issues? Both parties are owned by the corporations and capitalists.
I don't think we are there yet because the left doesn't pose enough of a threat to capital for them to put fascists into power, but there are a lot of things that I would consider warning signs.
Sure there are warning signs, but until we have economic issues mirroring cultural I just don't see how it would happen. Maybe if the exurbs become tax free havens and the cities are punished, but again that would hurt da stonks.
We just saw quickly industry will come down on politicians that step out of line. Trump passed the massive tax bill and what is his thanks? The titans of industry won't even let him have a little coup, as a treat. Sad.
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I've heard of it, worth a listen or lib poppycock?
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What's the dude's name? Say it loud too so every ML can hear it.
Robert Evans
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Yes
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Yeah, I like him too. Just giving some of the backstory
You can just say explicit anarchist, it's ok
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Oh I thought you were talking about the man, not the series.
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He was covering the BLM protests this summer, a lot more people follow him from that probably. From what I can tell, the biggest problem people have with him is that he works for bellingcat, who have been in a long feud with grayzone people and mark ames/War nerd over the proper narrative of the Syria war
I'm not familiar with Evans, but it's hard to discredit Ames and the Radio War Nerd.
Agreed, but his feud with bellingcat is more with the other people, Evans hasn't really been involved with their Syria stuff afaik. More like guilt by association (that part of it, at least)
It Could Happen Here is an essential listen for any American, imo. Civil War 2 always sounds ridiculous upon first hearing it, but then you look at places like Syria, and with convincing arguments, I can definitely see us going down that path in the next few years.
It won’t be Democrats vs Republicans, or liberals vs conservatives. It could start with right wing attacks on highway infrastructure, or city blocks being seized by Nazi groups. Then you get leftist defense groups, followed by clashes between different factions.
My dad told me "there are just too many people"
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you also get them when 13-16 year olds leave their nazi phase too fast
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I don't think most do. For most, it's whatever aesthetics they think are cool plus whatever group they find some measure of acceptance in, all heavily filtered by the context of their parents' politics and what they think of their parents.
I'm sure there are some really well-read and thoughtful 16-year-olds out there, but that's not the median.
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there's really no opportunities to volunteer as 13, nor much use in reading marx that young tbh
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based, i did some, but I couldn't find any secular charities or mutual aid orgs that would let me participate. was all religious stuff
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Wondering if the only way to get you to read Marx would be via the alphabet soup edition of Capital.
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Eh I honestly don't think the average grown adult is much more politically educated than the average teen at least today
They probably haven't read much more political theory, but they likely know more about the world in general and are likely more committed to whatever they've chosen to believe.
i've literally changed boomers' whole ideologies by messing with their facebook feeds
I'm not saying old people are set in their ways permanently and young people aren't; I'm saying old people are more set in their ways. I'm betting it's easier for people to write off stuff they believed in at 15 as a phase than it is for them to write off a decade or two of adult political activity as wrong.
that is true but I don't think older people often being set in stone is necessarily indicative that your average young person knows that much less about politics, hell studies have shown people are worse at recognizing fake news as they age
See, theres your issue; a lot of us didn't talk to people or go outside, so you may as well read about the economy (or, in these guys' cases, about ethnic cleansing or whatever, i guess).
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I remember there being a fair bit of "received wisdom" when I was skirting that chud lite phase of my youth.