:gold-demsoc: for him.

  • bark [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Yeah he also tried to force a vote on the repeal of right to work laws after it's died in committee multiple times.

    The democrats helped vote it down and one coward tried to retroactively change his vote. Probably out of fear of a primary opponent.

    Just mentioning that for no particular reason.

    Anyone want to continue to shit on an elected socialist who actually does things?

    • longhorn617 [any]
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      4 years ago

      Getting things done doesn't shield you from criticism of having drunken meltdowns on twitter. Nuance exists.

    • JuneFall [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      The important point is the pushing the boundary and making other parliamentarians actually show their faces and votes. This is what parliaments can be used for (even according to Lenin).

  • abdul [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    literally the only american politician i trust unconditionally. the guy is a force of nature.

    • HamManBad [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Never trust unconditionally!

      But I definitely trust him the most, except maybe for Kshama Sawant since she's actually subordinate to a party org.

      • abdul [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        You’re right, I should have used more measured language. Anyone can be compromised at any time, one way or another. Having said that, I feel much better about him than anyone else at the moment. Sawant is great too, I’m just more familiar with Lee locally and have spoken to him a few times so it’s a little easier to vouch for him on a personal level

  • cilantrofellow [any]
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    4 years ago

    I’ve been critical in the past of Lee but not for this reason. I know he’s a good person and socialist and is getting important shit passed like the insulin bill.

    I just don’t think it’s realistic for him as a 2 term house rep to run for governor of a state full of chuds and cia libs. Maybe I’m wrong and it’ll help him win something after performing better than expected in the primary, but he will almost certainly not win and could jeopardize the work he could continue to do in his current position for another term or two. I also worry his decision is influenced by the people surrounding him in his personal life who have a track record of grift-y political work.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      could jeopardize the work he could continue to do in his current position for another term or two

      AFAIK he can run for his delegate seat at the same time so that's not a problem.

      But yeah, he might be a bit overconfident thinking he can become governor.

      • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Agree but what does he seriously have to loose? It's extremely common for people to run for things just to get their name more out there. I'm sure he'd keep his state seat if he lost his gov race, so I'm not sure why it is actually bad for him to attempt to seek a higher seat of power? I'm no political expert, but this seems pretty normal to me

        • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I’m sure he’d keep his state seat if he lost his gov race, so I’m not sure why it is actually bad for him to attempt to seek a higher seat of power?

          The first sentence is what was in question. In most cases running for another office in the same year where you could be running for re-election means you can't run for both and effectively have to give up your current seat (Example: Tulsi Gabbard couldn't run for President without losing her House seat in the process). For Lee that isn't the case though, he can run for both at the same time (as it should be btw).

        • cilantrofellow [any]
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          4 years ago

          He can lose his reputation and his seat by being an inexperienced wrecker of some media darling progressive. It’s a lot of ifs yea but there’s really no saying how it’ll go when it’s this unprecedented.

    • CommieElon [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Electoralism is possible with a large working class contingent helping you along the way. He flipped a Republican district because he campaigned by knocking on people’s doors. If his strategy is similar maybe he could pull off an upset.

      • HamManBad [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        For real, as much as it's a long-shot, the campaign itself will raise Virginia's class consciousness, get more working class people actively involved in politics, and help draw new distinctions in Virginia outside of mainstream cultural grievances. This is a good thing, even if he doesn't win. In fact, getting screwed over by the establishment is a good way to teach people how the establishment works.

    • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah, I really hope the grifty people he hangs out with aren't a bad influence, as he unlike the others got elected and have actually gotten some positive change.

    • JuneFall [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      but he will almost certainly not win and could jeopardize the work he could continue to do in his current position for another term or two

      This sounds a bit defeatist. Bernie didn't win either the first time. However building public clout and alternatives is important. The contribution of the one doesn't matter so much as does the visibility and success of the movement and that will climb and climb.

        • JuneFall [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          the rest of the dem caucus will have an excuse to write him off and not work with him.

          You think that his actions really matter for that. If the established wing of the wings weighs him a threat they will fuck him over, doesn't matter how nice he would've played before.

          • cilantrofellow [any]
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            4 years ago

            They can ignore him now. If he starts this when he’s still green and gives away his threat level then it becomes a thing.

            I’m not saying I’m right but I like a lot of people think this is a big bite from a little guy right now.

    • JuanGLADIO [any]
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      4 years ago

      If he loses it’s not the end of anything. He’ll be positioned well for the next election.

  • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I'm rooting for him, just sometimes he embarrasses me. He's a good guy, just goes on weird twitter meltdowns. However, if he gets shit done, I'm willing to put up with his weird twitter drama.

    • JuneFall [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      After Trump and Melon and Marx you judge people by their meltdowns?!

      Who of us is without cringe and shitposting might report me first.

  • shitstorm [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    How come we have multiple emojis of a podcast host and not a single emoji for our big red boi? Honestly I'm mad at myself for not wondering this sooner.

  • Quimby [any, any]
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    4 years ago

    Lee Carter is the best, better than all the rest.

  • Tofu_Lewis [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Wow, awesome. Could this mean he was right about the DC chapter of DSA???

  • late90smullbowl [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Never looked at any of the supposed twitter drama. Did watch him on a train on his way to the Labour Party conference tho. Any train fan is my guy. 🚂

    This is a great achievement. Hope he's got a cohort literally protecting him in Virginia.