Not mine, but free to share. Enjoy!
My first post here, but for those who don't want to read through 180+ pages, here's a (somewhat) shorter shareable debunk from my socialism faq. This post got me banned from several reddit pro-imperialist "leftist" subs btw.
What's going on with the Uyghurs?
- What's going on with the Uyghurs / Xinjiang province?
- XinJiang: Facts vs Fiction.
- A Pakistani Diplomat given full access to “re-education camps” and this is what she found.
- Despite claims of "erasing Uyghur culture", they stated: "I did not find any instance of forced labor or cultural and religious repression. The imams we met at the mosques and the students and teachers at the Xinjiang Islamic Institute told us that they enjoy freedom in practicing Islam and that the Chinese government extends support for maintenance of mosques all over Xinjiang. [...]The most visible sign of protection of Uyghur culture by the government is the government-run bilingual kindergarten schools where children learn Putonghua as well as Uyghur language and culture from a very young age."
- Egyptian media delegates provide a detailed insight of the situation in Xinjiang
- A majority of Muslim countries support China's policies in XinJiang, and don't believe the western lies told about it.. 54 Countries in total. 2, 3, 4 Supporters: Algeria, Angola, Bahrain, Belarus, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Comoros, Congo, Cuba, DR Congo, Egypt, Eritrea, Gabon, Kuwait, Laos, Nigeria, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Togo, Turkmenistan, UAE, Venezuela, Zimbabwe.
- China's policies in the Xinjiang Uyghur autonomous region lift 1.85 million people out of poverty from 2014-2017.
- US fuels terrorism in China: “1 million Uyghurs never verified”
- China’s Xinjiang Problem – Made in USA.
- No, the UN did not report China has ‘massive internment camps’ for Uighur Muslims.
- What about Democracy now and the Intercept's claims about the Uyghur camps?
- Religious freedoms in China explained.
- Thousands of Muslims from the Uyghur province make Hajj Pilgrimage yearly. 11k Chinese Muslims travel from Xinjiang on free chartered flights to Saudi Arabia for the Hajj, in 2019.
- EU rejects China offer of Xinjiang tour.
- A wikileaks cable from 2011 shows that the US coordinated with groups to incite separatism in Mongolia, XinJiang, and Tibet.
- The sources for an Australian documentary about the uyghurs, turn out to be members of the FSA and TIP, right wing, ultra-nationalist Turkish terrorist orgs. The two men with links to terrorist groups were interviewed on nearly every Australian TV station for a week. 2
- If China Is Anti-Islam, Why Are These Chinese Muslims Enjoying a Faith Revival?
- A New York Times "expose" of re-education centers in Xinjiang lied and mistranslated every claim.
- Reddit holds an AMA for an "Uyghur Activist", who turns out to be Rushan Abbas, a CIA agent who worked for Homeland Security, Department of Defense, Department of State, Department of Justice, and various U.S. intelligence agencies, and even worked at Guantanamo bay, the US muslim torture camp. 1 2
- Reddit holds yet another AMA with Sophie Richardson, the "China director" at the US soft-power regime change agency Human Rights Watch. The comments expose her as not speaking chinese, and spreading blatant lies about China.
- A case study in Anti-Chinese racism.
- RodericDay - A thread about the key sources for Uyghur Genocide (Especially Adrian Zenz).
- Breaking down the BBC's visit to XinJiang.
- More sources debunking this here.
o7, your US atrocities wiki is a fucking fastastic resource. Glad to have you here comrade
I’ll guarantee it’s not the length of what I shared that’s preventing people from reading.
haha well okay but you aren't posting that it's too long AND you think it's lies
I'm on board with what's said here but I want to bring up the video leaked from the former Uyghur model and I want to know why people think increased Uyghur autonomy is bad. I don't know if this is addressed in the document but I'll get to reading it.
Supposedly the guy was arrested for some minor drug offence so he could be put there, if true I think that's bad. He's sitting there chained in a dirty room with lice and there's propaganda against Uyghur separatism blasting outside the window. Is this accurate and is this necessary to counter terrorism? Would the Turkistan Islamic party or something similar seizing power be why separatism is a big concern or are we just saying increased autonomy of Chinese regions is bad?
Edit: These things aren't really talked about in the document, there is some discussion about the autonomy of Chinese regions, and an acknowledgement in the intro of "That while not doing what the Western world accuses it of doing, the Chinese government deserves scrutiny for the way they are currently handling their issues, even if they aren’t actively committing a genocide against a minority group or have been perfect. As leftists we must always uphold the tradition of “a ruthless criticism of all that exists” ", which is good at least :soviet-hmm:
This is what happens when you force people to try and prove a negative. Especially when you provide no evidence and rely heavily on speculation.
I was about to comment that it is only 28 pages but then it kept loading and loading. It's 167 pages!
Libs will literally eat up any slop that’s fed to them by “respectable” (hint: western) sources, regardless of its plausibility
That's one of the observations that I think has potential to start people on the path towards questioning U.S. propaganda. If you point out to someone that people will believe anything a paper prints about one of the Bad Countries, it might get them started on questioning why they believe stuff so uncritically.
The best examples of this might be the WMDs in Iraq story or the "survivor of Saddam's regime" who turned out to be the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador back in the early 90s. It has to be something well-documented as false that doesn't involve a socialist state.
i'm not going to read this but i know that it's wrong and that china is killing 6 million uyghurs
A [BRIEF] HISTORICAL TIMELINE:EXPOSING THE CHINA HUMAN RIGHTS DEFENDERS
(CHRD):ADRIAN ZENZ: U.S GOVERNMENT BACKED, ABSURDLY SHODDY STUDY TECHNIQUES, AND RAPTURE-READY EVANGELICALCOUNTRIES THAT HAVE DEFENDED CHINA VERSUS THOSE WHO’VE ATTACKED
A LOOK INTO CHINA’S RELIGIOUS LAWS + PRAXISNOTES FOR FURTHER READING/WATCHING:
Why arent any of the sections dedicated to debunking the western claims?
If I click this, will google know that I'm a chapo who doesn't hate China?
I know it might feel like I'm being flippant, but I'm not going to google from chapo for any reason haha. Props for sharing the thing though, it seems like a super valuable resource :)
I am genuinely interested in this document, but I'm not going on google to read it tbh
I have a friend who insists that the NCHRD report that extrapolate numbers akin to Zenz' is trustworthy. I quote, "Tankies like to ignore that one, or say the "sample size is too small", or show one picture of the founder standing next to Ronald Reagan 40 years ago, neither of which are rebuttals"
Where do you even go from there?
NCHRD is just a China-focused VICTIMS OF COMMUNISM FOUNDATION basically
From page 1:
Surprise, the United States Government and it’s running dogs have lied to you about a foreign enemy. Let’s separate the facts from the fiction. The following text below is a summary of the conclusions I’ve come to in my research concerning recent discussions of China & their Uighur Muslim population. Please note that I didn’t come into this document with the presupposition that the US was already lying, I actually started the other way around (I presumed what the US narrative was to be true and sought to prove why it was true to internet “tankies”, until I realized that it wasn’t):
That China is not running a “cultural genocide” against Uighur muslim population or anything of the sort
That while the moral underpinnings of the actions taken by the Chinese government are murky and should be discussed, there is more nuance to things than what is generally discussed
That due to historical context, Leftists, especially Western Leftists, should be more wary of dominant media narratives pedaled to them by the news
That the Chinese government is actively taking measures to aid the Uighur population that don’t line up with the dominant western narrative
That while not doing what the Western world accuses it of doing, the Chinese government deserves scrutiny for the way they are currently handling their issues, even if they aren’t actively committing a genocide against a minority group or have been perfect. As leftists we must always uphold the tradition of “a ruthless criticism of all that exists”
It should be noted that this document is an amalgamation of the writings of hundreds of other authors and myself. The purpose of this document isn’t 100% originality, but rather about building a truthful account of what is happening in China. This file is an ever expanding work in progress, which will be updated when more information is released. And most importantly of all, thank you for reading, Comrade
This is a list of the theses of the book not a summary of their defense. You can't expect even genuinely sympathetic people to need to read a literal fucking book on any, let alone every, point of USA agitprop holy fuck. For people who constantly talk about the necessity of a vanguard party you really are just shit at it. Also for the love of god double space it.
Yo, what’s with the hostility? Read it or don’t, no one is forcing you to.
Oh come on, obviously no one is forcing anyone. My point was that you're not going to convince anyone who doesn't basically already agree with that treatise if you make no effort to present it in an easily digestible form (i.e. not a 300+ page book--which it would be if it was double spaced). For what it's worth I more or less agree with the theses and I just swear alot.
That doesnt explain anything. The only thing that says is that "the concentration camp shit is just USA propaganda" it doesnt even try to refute any claims of oppression
Is there a reason why you can't skim through the document to get to the allegations of oppression and just read that?
Because they aren't interested in reading things that don't affirm their believes. So it's useless arguing with them imho.
Ah yes, the ol' "If you don't read this random 160-page google doc you aren't fit to engage with the topic."
Reminds me of the rightoids who say random-ass things, and when pressed, source a random 120-min. lecture on YT from some Jordan Peterson-adjacent type and accuse others of not engaging.
Do better, or at minimum familiarize yourself with the topic so you can defend it on its own merits.
is China an us puppet? the doc doesnt seem to acknowledge any of the accusations regarding cultural cleansing nor try to rebunk them. like all of you idiots i dont care about reading this shit. If you want to make a nice propaganda document you should actually try inserting some concrete facts in it that contradict the imperialist narrative
like all of you idiots i dont care about reading this shit
the doc doesnt seem to acknowledge
So you didn't read it, but you know what it says?
It's all capitalist imperialist pigs lying about why they want to destroy china.
im not going to fucking read this shit theres no reason to make this shit so incomprehensible. Im asking for the the keypoints and sources
Lmao, doing propaganda for the second most powerful nation on earth for free. Personally, I'd preserve my solidarity for the Uyghurs that are being victimized by that extremely powerful government
doing propaganda for the second most powerful nation on earth for free
I’m not doing propaganda for the USA?
