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Meanwhile in America pigs do "cavity searches" (actual sexual assault) maintain the hegemony of their CIA opiate drug war industry to fund narcoterrorist fascist coups in Latin America
Sexual assault does not become funny or Ok just because it is against people you hate. This thread is full of grossness.
People aren't laughing because a genuine medical mistake happened are they? They are laughing at the thought of someone they don't like having something stuck up their bum and being uncomfortable with it.
Still not sexual assault though is it? It's laughing at someone you dislike going through a medical procedure that they didn't need by mistake.
None of that implies assault or anything non-consensual occurring.
At the end of the day it is not for us to decide if it was or was not sexual assult. It is up to the victims to decide. As a gay man I view my bum as very sexual organ and if it had happened to me I would view it as sexual assault. If you don't that's fine but I think you are the one undermining sexual assault to say these circumstances could not be viewed as sexual assault.
It's not the actual experience I have a problem with. I am sure it was fine and no one really cares as this is clearly anti china propaganda. My problem is that this has been framed in the headline as though the act was done through deception. Now most of us I'm sure didn't read beyond the headline and that is what we are responding to. And to laugh at that is gross. I don't think china is actually sexually assaulting diplomats. I do think if this situation were to happen and it was actually done through deception it would be sexual assault.
So it's just homophobic? Haha man puts stuff up his butt is a homophobic joke.
Calling this sexual assault makes me very uncomfortable. It is not funny that it happened, and the joke many find in it is making a joke out of one that the people think, but we should not call whatever we wish sexual assault in the face of true victims.
According to the commission’s instructions, the anal samples are collected by inserting a cotton swab three to five centimeters (about one to two inches) into the rectum.
For fucks sakes, take a little swab in the butt for the safely of the people of China (not being ironic now)
If I am given a choice between anal swab and the deep covid nasal swab, I will choose the anal one 10/10 times.
It’s unnecessary and it’s invasive. No way you would be saying this if america demanded Chinese diplomats to do this. It would be wrong then and it’s wrong now.
I don’t give a fuck what’s common or normal in China. Nonconsensual sexual touching is assault. Coercive sexual touching is assault. Assault is assault, point blank and it’s disgusting for you to pretend otherwise. No way you would be saying this if it was Americans forcing Chinese diplomats to comply with rectal swabs when we have a hundred other ways to get reliable results.
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Yes it is
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Don’t think I didn’t notice you avoided the topic of coercion.
Projecting western moral freakout over anything remotely sexual onto China be like
白左moment
“Do our tests or fly back home across thousands of miles and risk losing your job because we won’t let you do it” is absolutely coercion. Done with replying to you, you’re welcome to have the last word since that’s clearly more important to you than respecting bodily autonomy regardless of politics.
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Coercion is assault, dipshit. If your choices are to comply or to lose your job, you dont have a choice.
What the fuck do you think will happen to a diplomat who isnt able to enter the country they are supposed to communicate with? You freaks really have absolutely no principles. Sexual assault is wrong regardless of your politics. Done with you, say what you want to end this, I can see where your values lay.
why the fuck should i care if a diplomat gets fired because they didn't want to follow a country's standard testing procedure? diplomats aren't fucking working class, at least not in the US
This virus killed 500k in the US. A butt swap really is nothing compared to a pandemic.
if only there was another option that didnt require rectal swabbing...
I mean, sure that would be nice. Hypothetically, I would submit to a rectal swabbing to save some lives.
If this was the standard procedure in America that everyone is subjected to as it is in China, what would be the issue? Anal swabs are perfectly normal and they are more accurate than nose swabs, and everyone takes them in China.
I'm sorry, but Covid tests are not sexual assault. The anus is not an inherently sexual organ, there is no sexual dimension at all to the procedure, it's just ridiculous.
If I go to some countries, I have to take vaccines to be allowed to stay.Is that sexual assault also? If not, why isn't it? And why is putting things in people's mouths for tests totally valid and okay but not around the anus?
It is sexual assault because for most people it is considered something more of a sexual area than your blood vessels. If the people were being forced to deep throat the swab it wouldnt be any better, when non-sexual options are readily available. The chinese government understands this, which is why they have apologized and reversed their decision. I'm not surprised people here are defending them despite that, but I am definitely surprised everyone here is so ok with letting people's bodily autonomy be voided for no justifiable reason purely because china wants to do it.
No one's bodily autonomy is being voided. If you want to leave, you can leave.
Other options are available, yes, but with a higher false negative rate. If the decision to use less reliable tests was made then clusters would he missed and additional travel restriction would have to be imposed.
You're acting as if it was done for fun. It wasn't. It's more difficult to deal with anal swabs. It is done because there is a very large medical and public health benefit to it.
Not to mention, you're not even realizing it, but you're making sexual assault a culturally relative phenomenon by your argument.
I would much rather do an anal swab, im completely unwilling to get a pipe cleaner shoved half a foot up my nose, but an inch into my butthole? easy, my finger is longer than that ;)
Garbage example but for the record, DRE’s are pointless, invasive, and unnecessary. Source
Performing this feeble test every few months during so-called surveillance makes no scientific sense; can be very uncomfortable; is especially unreliable for detecting the potentially deadly 15% or so of high-grade cancers early and, the examination is often abused by dishonest urologists to push patients towards more profitable evaluations because of 'feeling something'; sensing a 'nodule' or, feeling 'unevenness' (asymmetry, which is normal)."
Can you read? The person I replied to was literally talking about prostate screening.
It’s nbd, most people don’t know how stupid those exams actually are and I could have done a better job addressing your reply. All water under the bridge.
Switch the roles and tell me what the take would be.
E: hey sorry I didn’t realize this was simply posting about this totally necessary and normal test (with no more convenient alternatives) that China required on entry, and not laughing about people we don’t like getting anally probed. We would never do that.
Yeah compared to stateside prisons, Guantanamo inmates get excellent healthcare what’s the problem.
Mandatory rectal probing for “medical purposes” isn’t really my idea of joke material regardless of whether I like the person who gets them.
“Medically warranted rectal feeding” for hunger strikers. It’s just proper nutrition supplementation.
Didn’t sound consensual to me, reading the article. Clearly they’re not the same but you invited that line of reasoning with bravoing “medical treatment” so I took it to the logical conclusion.
It’s cool though, please everyone continue :sickoing: about glorious China anally probing people for something that can be tested using spit.
I don’t think it’s really clear, considering if you need to get to your position you’re required to do it even when more convenient and functionally accurate tests exist. But honestly consent or medical necessity wasn't even the point of my original post. The post seems more interested in chuckling about Americans uncomfortably getting things put their butts than anything else, and that China (“critical support though”) was based for doing it to them. My point like others was I’d rather not celebrate things that make people uncomfortable related to things going in their ass, regardless of who they are.
I’m not trying to argue about this all day. At the base of this I found your initial response pretty flippant and dismissive, so responded in kind. My comparison isn’t anything I’m willing to seriously defend, so I’ll just leave it at that.
It actually is pretty cool to see who here really cares about bodily autonomy and calling out what's wrong when they see it regardless of politics vs who just wants to fake it in order to curry political favor for le red imperialist hedgemon. Walking out of this thread with respect for a handful of people and a dozen names to add to my pay no mind list.
Any pandemic outbreak that needs to be managed necessarily requires testing.
Mass testing by definition involves reduction in bodily autonomy should testing become mandatory. There is no increase in bodily autonomy being required to do a nasal swab than an anal swab. There is no bodily autonomy in requiring lockdowns that restrict your movement and what activities the public can engage in.
Nothing about this story indicates diplomats being forced at gunpoint, and the entire basis for it is a ridiculous standard about "dignity" for exempting diplomats, a privilege the ordinary population don't get because they think butt stuff is icky and probably makes you gay or some other ridiculous hang up. If the testing is thought to be accurate, then it makes sense to use it where appropriate.
You're a fucking idiot.
Neither can you, you just keep repeating the same bullshit about this being sexual assault because ew icky butt stuff, then hand wave about bodily autonomy in a pandemic that to be managed requires mass testing and restrictions of movement until effective vaccines are widely deployed enough that risks of transmission and harm are significantly reduced.
No, you actually can't, because at no point do the details in this story suggest sexual assault, other than you projecting your insecurities about maybe one day having a doctor examine your ass 'cos you can't stop shitting yourself.
On the one hand, I can see you care a lot about making me read your China apologia, but on the other hand, I have serious concerns about where you are copy and pasting everything from, as per our previous discussion.
So, you accuse other people of copying and pasting shit, then immediately start copying and pasting the same response over and over when you can't deal with very obvious and straight forward points people make to you because you're a dumbass?
Have you considered the possibility that I don’t give a fuck about your opinion and am replying out of boredom now
Have you considered you could have shut up a long time ago, stopped replying when people called you out for obvious bullshit, and not make yourself look like even more of an idiot complaining about copy and pasting responses only to do exactly that immediately?
I’m literally not reading any of this lol. Gonna go do something else, keep shilling pal
China is the King of Soft Power, they know all the backchannels..
