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This is definitely a generational issue. Younger people are over it and older people are doing what they know.
This is not a generational issue. Israel was an Apartheid state 50 years ago, too.
If you look at polling it absolutely is. 27% of young people support Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip compared to over 80% of older people.
Right now, but what about those older people 50 years ago compared to their seniors?
And 50 years ago nobody outside of the Arab world cared. That’s the change — people care now.
The wh8tewashed historical impression you are operating off of is incorrect:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379
No comment in the substance? Just going to keep on hoping we can age into a just world?
You’re underselling today’s youth. We’re all dinosaurs and they see the world in a completely different light.
If you're just axiomatically committed to bullshit, there's nothing I can do about that, but I'm a young person and, uh, no, zoomers aren't special. They've got just the latest iteration on time-honored brainworms, and the disparities between them and their elders can be explained by difference in social position, both the traditional "young people are poorer and less institutionally entrenched" bit plus the more unique problem of median downward mobility, but that pushes radicalization both ways and it doesn't push them evenly in an uneven environment. Going just by the odds, what stands out about Gen Z is that they are the most likely generation in the last several decades to be at the helm of a successful fascist uprising, which is much more likely than them doing socialist revolution (though them just finding some new way to be neo-neoliberals is still more likely than a socialist revolution in the US).
I'm on a communist board, it's not like I don't want the Zoomer Vanguard of Marxist revolutionaries to be a real thing -- and I aspire to help instigate it -- but hope and love are not enough to make it so, and we cannot hope to contribute to making the world better without a solid understanding of how the world can [and may] be worse.
You have an agenda and you’re angry about it. I frankly stopped reading your responses about three back. Why not devote your efforts to someone who is interested and take a persuasive instead of hostile tone?
"People who disagree with me have an agenda. People who ask me to explain what the agenda is are tedious."
You're really being a baby about this. You don't get to be pissy because people aren't impressed by your puddle-deep analysis.
People shouldn't badger, and that was what I took exception with. I'm happy to engage in a good faith disagreement, but person was being a douche nozzle about it and it wasn't worth that level of drama, which is why I backed out.
but person was being a douche nozzle
No he wasn't, he gave you a reasonable, if slightly rude response to your argument and you didn't respond back but instead just started bitching about "agendas". You're the douche nozzle tbh, if you can't handle people on an anonymous forum being slightly snarky at you maybe just log off.
Not really, though. Person took great exception to my opinion and was determined to make me accept defeat instead of just accepting that people can hold different beliefs. There is absolutely no point in engaging with someone like that any more than there is engaging with an angry person on Facebook. His agenda was the need to win the argument at all costs rather than assume that someone can have a different belief set.
His agenda was the need to win the argument at all costs rather than assume that someone can have a different belief set.
Yeah that's how Internet discussions work genius, not every discussion needs to end with "ah man it's all so complicated it's ok to have different beliefs", you're allowed to have a strong opinion on things.
Your agenda is to hide behind some vague concept of civility instead of actually engaging in the discussion. Literally nobody forced you to respond to his comment at all if you found it so grating, you consciously chose to be loudly pissy about it.
No, my agenda is that I am allowed my opinions and I don't have to explain myself if I don't want to. Your argument is that I am required at all times to fully explain everything I ever say. It doesn't work that way, I have a right to disengage. I disengaged with that person and I am disengaging with you. Neither of these conversations are worth the amount of effort I have been forced to expend on them, and that is time and energy that will be lost from me forever.
I have a right to disengage.
You had that right also like 10 comments ago. You just have a bruised ego because people on the Internet dared to not just nod along to whatever bullshit you were saying.
What do older people know? Start war, at hot chip, and lie? Joke aside I don't understand what you mean?
From recent observation, world governments are following the Israel line—basically universal and unceasing support.
Reading around places like here or reddit, however, I’ve noticed that people are for the first time putting blame on Israel for this happening and are demanding better treatment for Palestinians.
I’m not convinced that this would have happened ten years ago, but maybe it would have. It also seems that polls are finding greater support among older populations than among younger ones.
My point? I suspect that the next generation of politicians will view this as apartheid and not protection from terrorism.
If you look outside of Reddit and the International Community, many countries support Palestine. The imperial core is a minority numerically here.
From recent observation, world governments are following the Israel line
lets be a bit more cynical, nobody inside the state department legitimately cares about palestinian lives.
the road the administration is taking (full backing to israel as it provokes every regional opponent) is bad fucking business.
to anybody who knows the first thing about persian gulf strategy, it's literally insane to be sabre-rattling while US navy resources are in the fucking medditerrean. if egypt closes the canal, as they'd be wont to do in a military confrontation with israel, Iran will run roughshod over US allies and remaining assets in the persian gulf.
these people are thinking the only reason to actually goad Iran into a fight is when the US has the whole marine corps and half the navy balls deep up the persian gulf and ready to "roll into" Tehran when it 'becomes official". we know they'll lose that fight but the fundamental thing is under the ideology and dogma of the US imperial apparatus, Israel is a disposable asset, and if the Biden admin goes full-throat for them into annihilation, that's not ideal for the interests in charge of this shit. the reason Israel exists is to destroy and absorb US-hostile forces and munitions with limited liability. the US actually becoming engaged ruins the point of having a proxy do it
these people are thinking the only reason to actually goad Iran into a fight is when the US has the whole marine corps and half the navy balls deep up the persian gulf and ready to "roll into" Tehran when it 'becomes official". we know they'll lose that fight
I'm starting to think the US state-military apparatus has a humiliation kink.
They are thinking "Step on us, Xi". It is the best explanation.
I think they're just the failsons of failsons who have been huffing their own farts for so long that they actually believe their empire is a shining city on a hill representing the most elevated ideals of freedom, democracy and civilization.
if you only recruit people who believe in the international order then you are going to only get people who have no fucking idea how geopolitics works
Also the Chinese have taken an interest in the Israel Gaza conflict now as have the Russians so there's another world power taking interest in the middle east again for the first time in a while
By “mutiny” they mean some low level staffers will huff and puff and resign? Oh poor me those poor little goons of empire, Awh they feel guilty :( :(
Assistant undersecretary for Drone strikes on weddings, welcome to the resistence.
Mutiny between the "we support just the right amount of murders" and the "we are not murdering enough"
There's a book called "inside the emerald City" which details the politics of the "green zone" in Iraq during the occupation. It's wild how the few competent people in the state department were constantly ignored by the ghouls put in charge by the Bush administration.
All they wanted was "some restraint" so they could build imperialism more effectively and politely but that wasn't even good enough.
cables are seen within the State Department as consequential statements of serious disagreement at key historical moments. The dissent channel was established amid deep internal conflict during the Vietnam War, and diplomats have since then used it to warn that the U.S. is making dangerous and self-defeating choices abroad.
More and more each day the echo's of the antiwar movement ring louder and louder. The bell tolls for you, Joe. You may have already been to late to answer its call. Your legacy will be apartheid.
Pepperidge Farms remembers I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration
oh no!
liberals, who are tasked with feeling bad when they see atrocities, are overwhelmed with how bad they are feeling!
enough is enough! they are ripping their lanyards and huffing loudly as they leave! oh my!
