• Infamousblt [any]
    hexbear
    100
    8 months ago

    Wait I thought we were gonna push him left what happened

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]
        hexbear
        56
        8 months ago

        This is not a generational issue. Israel was an Apartheid state 50 years ago, too.

        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
          hexbear
          27
          8 months ago

          If you look at polling it absolutely is. 27% of young people support Israel’s actions in the Gaza Strip compared to over 80% of older people.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
            hexbear
            25
            8 months ago

            Right now, but what about those older people 50 years ago compared to their seniors?

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
            hexbear
            40
            8 months ago

            The wh8tewashed historical impression you are operating off of is incorrect:

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_3379

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
        hexbear
        40
        8 months ago

        What do older people know? Start war, at hot chip, and lie? Joke aside I don't understand what you mean?

        • @stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml
          hexbear
          10
          8 months ago

          From recent observation, world governments are following the Israel line—basically universal and unceasing support.

          Reading around places like here or reddit, however, I’ve noticed that people are for the first time putting blame on Israel for this happening and are demanding better treatment for Palestinians.

          I’m not convinced that this would have happened ten years ago, but maybe it would have. It also seems that polls are finding greater support among older populations than among younger ones.

          My point? I suspect that the next generation of politicians will view this as apartheid and not protection from terrorism.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
            hexbear
            37
            8 months ago

            If you look outside of Reddit and the International Community, many countries support Palestine. The imperial core is a minority numerically here.

          • usa_suxxx [they/them]
            hexbear
            29
            8 months ago

            From recent observation, world governments are following the Israel line—basically universal and unceasing support.

            It's pretty much the West v Everyone Else like usual

  • Dolores [love/loves]
    hexbear
    90
    edit-2
    8 months ago

    lets be a bit more cynical, nobody inside the state department legitimately cares about palestinian lives.

    the road the administration is taking (full backing to israel as it provokes every regional opponent) is bad fucking business.

    to anybody who knows the first thing about persian gulf strategy, it's literally insane to be sabre-rattling while US navy resources are in the fucking medditerrean. if egypt closes the canal, as they'd be wont to do in a military confrontation with israel, Iran will run roughshod over US allies and remaining assets in the persian gulf.

    these people are thinking the only reason to actually goad Iran into a fight is when the US has the whole marine corps and half the navy balls deep up the persian gulf and ready to "roll into" Tehran when it 'becomes official". we know they'll lose that fight but the fundamental thing is under the ideology and dogma of the US imperial apparatus, Israel is a disposable asset, and if the Biden admin goes full-throat for them into annihilation, that's not ideal for the interests in charge of this shit. the reason Israel exists is to destroy and absorb US-hostile forces and munitions with limited liability. the US actually becoming engaged ruins the point of having a proxy do it

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
      hexbear
      41
      8 months ago

      these people are thinking the only reason to actually goad Iran into a fight is when the US has the whole marine corps and half the navy balls deep up the persian gulf and ready to "roll into" Tehran when it 'becomes official". we know they'll lose that fight

      I'm starting to think the US state-military apparatus has a humiliation kink.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
        hexbear
        17
        8 months ago

        I think they're just the failsons of failsons who have been huffing their own farts for so long that they actually believe their empire is a shining city on a hill representing the most elevated ideals of freedom, democracy and civilization.

        • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
          hexbear
          16
          edit-2
          8 months ago

          if you only recruit people who believe in the international order then you are going to only get people who have no fucking idea how geopolitics works

    • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
      hexbear
      16
      8 months ago

      Also the Chinese have taken an interest in the Israel Gaza conflict now as have the Russians so there's another world power taking interest in the middle east again for the first time in a while

  • emizeko [they/them]
    hexbear
    68
    8 months ago

    Mutiny Brewing

    I can't keep track of all these craft beers

  • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
    hexbear
    65
    8 months ago

    By “mutiny” they mean some low level staffers will huff and puff and resign? Oh poor me those poor little goons of empire, Awh they feel guilty :( :(

  • mkultrawide [any]
    hexbear
    62
    8 months ago

    Oh wow, they are gonna write Apartheid Antony a strongly worded letter?

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
    hexbear
    54
    8 months ago

    Assistant undersecretary for Drone strikes on weddings, welcome to the resistence.

  • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
    hexbear
    50
    edit-2
    8 months ago

    Mutiny between the "we support just the right amount of murders" and the "we are not murdering enough"

  • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
    hexbear
    49
    8 months ago

    some of them seem to realize it's not a good idea to alienate the entire middle east

    • spectre [he/him]
      hexbear
      40
      8 months ago

      There's a book called "inside the emerald City" which details the politics of the "green zone" in Iraq during the occupation. It's wild how the few competent people in the state department were constantly ignored by the ghouls put in charge by the Bush administration.

      All they wanted was "some restraint" so they could build imperialism more effectively and politely but that wasn't even good enough.

  • Red Wizard 🪄@lemmygrad.ml
    hexbear
    47
    edit-2
    8 months ago

    cables are seen within the State Department as consequential statements of serious disagreement at key historical moments. The dissent channel was established amid deep internal conflict during the Vietnam War, and diplomats have since then used it to warn that the U.S. is making dangerous and self-defeating choices abroad.

    More and more each day the echo's of the antiwar movement ring louder and louder. The bell tolls for you, Joe. You may have already been to late to answer its call. Your legacy will be apartheid.

  • joaomarrom [he/him, comrade/them]
    hexbear
    36
    8 months ago

    oh no!

    liberals, who are tasked with feeling bad when they see atrocities, are overwhelmed with how bad they are feeling!

    enough is enough! they are ripping their lanyards and huffing loudly as they leave! oh my!

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
      hexbear
      33
      8 months ago

      Tommy will need so much drinky on this fuckrustable day!

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