To put this in perspective, the United States suffered 416,800 military dead in World War II from December 1941 to August 1945. We're apparently on track to suffer the casualties of a World War due to incompetence.
So you're saying if America eases protections we'll kill 400k in a fraction of the time it took us during WWII?
Now that's what I call free enterprise baby. :smiling face with sunglasses:
WE'RE #1! WE'RE #1! Leading the world in plague deaths! :sparkler:
I'm sure in the end the US's malfeasance will be responsible for hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths worldwide by acting as a supercarrier
But have you considered the fact that everyone dies?
When I talk to denialists, that's been their fallback line.
I've told them to name specific family members who they want to die right now, since they're ok with others dying needlessly. This was on social media, so I told them to tag those family members.
They never respond to that one.
If everyone starts using masks and following directives, only 100,000 people will die in the next 4 months!!
Edit: In the US
COVID has almsot killed more americans that ww2.
If you add in stuff like covid triggered heart attacks in suceptable populations it for sure has already.
Having said that, I can only stand a problematic king for doing what it can to fight the US empire
Critical support to covid in its struggle against imperialism
COVID has already disabled more people than WW2.
Everyone seems to ignore that 90% of symptomatic cases suffer permanent lung and cardiac damage.
People are also ignoring the fact that the Chinese virus is 10x less damaging.
If Trump had banned white people (Europe) and allowed China, then the death and disability toll would be 10x less, with possible immunity. The Chinese version is 10x less efficient at infecting cells. It spreads slower and does less damage once infected.
Word, I had it in april and I still need to use an inhaler so I dont cough myself awake at night.
It is like move style nam night terror only stupid.
That is a good point you make though, every case we allow to happen is an extra chance for the virus to mutate.
That is a good point you make though, every case we allow to happen is an extra chance for the virus to mutate.
At this point I'm convinced it's a bioweapon, probably created by the US or Israel. Possibly unfinished, designed to deal with the Black population.
Maybe China released a "harmless" version to render the US' efforts wasted (can't kill everybody if they're already immune), or possibly to try to "vaccinate" their own population en masse, but then stopped once they realized it wasn't entirely harmless.
There are loads of news reports of mysterious pneumonia outbreaks happening all at once in the US in 2019 (in one of them, 600 students called in sick within a week). Plus a sewage sample testing positive for COV2 in Spain May 2019.
If it did come from a bat, it's a bit weird that we didn't see it come from SEAsia or SAmerica, which have far higher bat species diversity than southern China. Also a bit weird that it only became 10x deadlier after entering Europe. Perhaps the US gov wanted to at least get some use out of their soon-to-be-obsolete project, so they let it loose, but also wanted to see its spread in Europe to see how white Americans would be affected. When the population loss wasn't too severe (maybe 2% dead and 20% disabled maximum), they decided to let it spread.
The only reason I don't think this was a bioweapon is that every medical textbook I've read predicted just something like this.
They wouldn't need to develop it as a bioweapon. Just being systemically rascist and letting nature take it from there is a perfectly workable solution.
They got the money, they got the time, they dont don't need to stuff like that. They can just stack the deck and let the odds play out in their favor.
Not to mix metaphors, look at 9/11. We didn't have to plan it specifcially. It was an ineveitable consequence of our actions. They just had to wait for their number to come up you know?
Nature doesn't work like that though. They've had 300 years of brutal racism, and the Black population is basically unchanged in numbers. It was 90:10 white:black back then, now it's 65:12, so even less white.
They absolutely need a bioweapon to deal with the black population, unless they want to risk separatism and foreign intervention into Balkanization. With a bioweapon, you can plausibly deny involvement. With genocide, the entire US becomes a battleground and China/Russia jump with glee as they fund Afro-American separatists.
I think this take underestimstes the way the elete view us in general and bipoc in particular as beneith them. I don't think they think enough of us to do a bioweapon situation.
Theh know everytime they pee in the pool the poorist and most desperate will get it worst. That is the apparant stated goal of the GOP and it is perfectly reasonable to assume their masters have the same kinda framework.
The virus is exactly what every medical text book i have read predicted would happen. In my framework here, they knew it was gonna happen eventually so they didnt need to force it. They just had to place their bets and wait for them to payout.
You, could be right. I have no way to find evidence to lean towards one way or the other. So in this dialectic both are important to consider.
The virus is exactly what every medical text book i have read predicted would happen.
Well, it just coincidentally and mysteriously affects Black people far worse than anyone else.
It's not just due to comorbidities either. There is a particular SNP that is more common in African-descended people, which correlates highly to disease severity. I'll try to find my bookmark and post it here, but the SNP also predicted disease severity in whites (it was just less common)
I'm gonna pull a class reductionist here.
Everyrhing is worse for poor people. Cant skip work, cant go to the doctor, dont always get all the right vitamins, all the useual. And because it is america black people are over represented in the poor population.
My middle class friends can work from home, get grocieries delivered and can get tests easily enough.
It makes sense they would get worse. The game has been rigged to ensure it is so.
Everyrhing is worse for poor people.
Black people die more even when you control for location, income, and comorbidities. The virus, for whatever reason, is more deadly for Black people, for genetic reasons.
It also curiously seems to affect Asian people less (same death rate as Europeans, despite living almost exclusively in crowded cities)
Love how hypernormalized everything is to the point where even my mom, who was so scared for the first month she barely even let me go grocery shopping, is now back on my case about getting a job, saying "everyone has one!". When I point out that literally 30 million fewer people have them than did a few months ago, it becomes "well, everyone who wants one has one!"
Gonna start a company called Just Getting By, LLC. where we all clock in but nobody does shit and nobody gets paid, we just pretend like we're working to convince our families and the one time a year an HR department actually checks somebody's references.
I don't even know what I'm supposed to do. I was laid off. Fine. It's happened before. Are we supposed to just get another job like normal or are we waiting?
What are we even doing?
literally me. Supervisor was like "going to have to furlough you guys for now but hang in there, we'll let you know what's going on"
That was in March, haven't heard a thing since lol. Best part is my position isn't eligible for unemployment in my state. So now I'm just sitting here like uhhh
I was furloughed made permanent. If I didn't have to second guess myself, then I'd be fine. Unemployment's over. I can skate on my savings for like 5 months and be really frugal before I need to work but it's still cutting it close, like if my car needs a repair.
And I'd be fine making either option work but I need some reinforcement that it's the correct thing to do. If I go to work or if I wait, there is one side telling me it's the selfish thing to do.
It's like no matter what I do, I'm set up to be blamed if it goes wrong.
at this point if you get a new job I don't think your old one would care that much. Keeping you on ice for months is really unreasonable. The capitalist political-cultural hegemony is always going to try to shift the blame on you somehow, but we just got to keep surviving until the whole thing starts to crack some more.
Covid will be this decade's Iraq war, everyone will claim they knew it was a bad idea to reopen from the start, somehow you wont be able to find any of the millions who thought it was worth it to reopen
Seems like that's a coincidence, as their model had the bulk of the deaths occur at once and then taper off completely by august at 153,000 total. Whereas in reality, deaths are still constantly pouring in.
I mean eventually there will be a downturn in deaths, there are only so many people in the USA that can get the virus!
Well then there are only so many people in the US that can actually die, so all those "death to america" prayers will have been heard!
thanks Osama
I guess the one true prophet rumor was really right after all
I've been following that site since it launched, and my gut tells me it's worst case is optimistic
(I know nothing and this means nothing)
It's not you, I'm just struggling to wrap my head around the fact that we're actually going to be living in plague conditions.
Yeah, I honestly still don't think it's sunk in for me that this is all happening, you know?
Being constantly gaslit about "back to normal" is both infuriating and getting more people killed. On the plus side, all my socdem friends are ripe for radicalization now that they're blatantly being shoveled into the economy for fuel. Been doing a lot of "Have I told you the tragedy of Blair Mountain?"
It's not a story the US Education system would tell you.
A hundred years ago, when coal and oil were still black gold, Virginia was El Dorado. Much of the land was occupied by company towns, and the mine and railroad barons who owned them were aptly named. These towns were their fiefdoms, and they ruled with gilded iron fists. The work was long, brutal and dangerous. Worker's protections were nonexistent. They were paid in scrip, worthless company money that could only be spent at company stores.
Sometimes a miner would be caught with real money, and beaten. This would be carried out by the private security companies hired by the boss to break strikes and enforce "order." The only time they didn't hire these private goon squads was when they owned the local sherrif. In one such case, a psychotic railroad magnate and his pet sherriff's department put a gatling gun on a train and did a drive by on a camp of striking miners and their families. They made two runs. The judge in the case was replaced mid-trial, and the magnate was exonerated. The court transcript is...interesting.
Things escalated from there.
Eventually, one particularly zealous sherrif and his 2,000 private thugs, with the support of a hired airplane dropping surplus WW1 bombs, both frag and gas, broke the strike, but not before federal troops were called in and martial law declared. To this day, it's the biggest labor uprising in America's history, and the first airplane attack ever on US ground.
100 people were killed in that final attack. Them and all those before them, murdered to cowe the rest into silence, this huge story erased from the popular mythology, because the owner class is terrified of the power of a united people.
I love redpills like these about history I wasn't alive for.
One of the coolest things is when I realized how the war against Disco music and Sheep farming was just a war against Black people.
Nothing ever changes.
genuinely confused: why do none of the projections go down? I get that its unlikely that americans would start taking preventative measures and shutting stuff down (because it seems like each state gets to choose separately what to do?), but could they not at least draw the line and pretend? it's seems like the obvious thing to do.
This is total death count, so if deaths stopped it would just be flat, not go down
It's cool comrade! It's beyond easy to miss a piece of context or misinterpret something and get confused. If it was bad to be a confused dork asking questions I'd be the worst lol
I wonder how big the death toll would be if you factored in indirect causes of death from covid. Like, not actually from the disease, just the factors that arose from it (isolation, job loss, etc). I had a friend that committed suicide in early June because of being physically isolated from his support group. I wonder how many others were/are in a similar situation.
I'm very sorry about your friend, hope you and everyone who loved them is doing well and may they rest in peace.
I just worked with a woman that fied of a uti because she had covid so no one was checking on her.
I know of a few people who have had heart attacks because of all the stress caused on their system. So those peobably aren't marked down as covid deaths.
Damn I remember when we were at 80k deaths and I was saying / echoing Christman that this country is going to let a quarter of a million people die needlessly and people thinking I was being hyperbolic
You're actually still bluepilled--more than that are going to die, and another 20-40% of the population is going to disabled for life. If you live in NY you've probably already seen the walking corpses.
They're doing the hypoxic COVID walk where they shuffle at .001 mph, slower than a senior. If they walk at 1mph they get out of breath.
I like the "masks" projection as if thats gonna happen real soon
