Man, this was hard to watch. At first it was really fun watching her dunk on Vaush but then she segues into talking about Vietnam and Agent Orange and damn, it's hard stuff.
I know a lot of people are against it but I fucking love following Vaush drama. I admit there's a superficial nonsensical drama-based unproductive part where I just love seeing dumb people get dunked on, but aside from that I think responses from Marxists I respect, like Luna, are incredible teaching moments. As someone who is still learning, Luna does an amazing job at walking less educated people like me through the history & current state of countries like Vietnam, why they've adopted capitalism to the extent that they have, and why they continue to deserve our support regardless.
Also watching Luna's non-political videos give incredible insight into the daily life of someone in a "global poverty" country. Like it's not a utopia by any means, but it's not all misery either. Like the fact that it's normal for people to have a garden with fresh vegetables, and the skill to cultivate it. I feel like that's been beaten out of me.
Agreed. I know people on here hate seeing other posters dunk on the usual suspects like vaush and most of breadtube, but I don't watch reality tv so online left squabbles are the only place I can get my trash tv fix. Plus like you said usually you end up learning something so it's not like it's all bad l
Also watching Luna’s non-political videos give incredible insight into the daily life of someone in a “global poverty” country. Like it’s not a utopia by any means, but it’s not all misery either. Like the fact that it’s normal for people to have a garden with fresh vegetables, and the skill to cultivate it. I feel like that’s been beaten out of me.
This is a pretty major hurdle a lot of Western leftists have to get over when it comes to understanding communist countries. Throughout your life in America in particular you're taught that the USSR, PRC, DPRK, etc are basically Mordor whose leaders are shadowy ax-crazy psychotic supervillains. But when you actually learn about the histories and daily life in those countries you come to the realization "Oh, they're just another country with normal people living normal lives."
Lol I was about to use this exact emoji to self-crit my online drama fiend, I apologize :bonk:
I should probably inform you that we now have a proper big funny clown hammer emoji as well
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Vaush is just so fucking lazy. Like I strongly disagree with Luna on a lot of points (not an ML, disagree on the coherence of MLism and its theory of the state and transition, think there's sections of Vietnamese thought Luna doesn't really consider like Ngô Văn Xuyết's work, criticisms of Vietnam she doesn't really engage with) but Vaush's critique is just so fucking lazy it's embarrassing like he's read next to nothing and doesn't understand what he did read. Like my God, even if you disagree with say Anarchopac who has also made response videos to MLs on Youtube, she's completing a PhD focused on early 20th century anarchism (which I very much look forward to seeing finished) and has actual grasp of material that someone like Vaush does not even attempt.
Yeah for sure, I consider myself ML-ish, I can't really claim any specific ideology, I'm just an absorber at this point. But I can recognize when someone makes an argument that is just vacuous. Vaushcuous?
almost every comment in that thread if "controversial" besides the top comment which lmao isn't even true. They were complaining about the title of the post and the video being different when it is not. But it sits at +30 points and the OP providing screenshots is getting downvoted. what a trash ass sub. It's also very telling how his fans aren't responding to the arguments being made in that video at all, like I haven't seen one. It's just "yeah vaush can be bad/problematic/edgy BUTTTTTT"
OMG LOL. I just looked at the sub and almost every video ont he front page right now has 0-5 comments besides the vaush one which now sits at over 100 but only has 20 points lol. That says more than anything I could ever say about that sub
Vaush is bad yes sure, but have you seen this facebook screenshot of Hakim responding to a private personal message discussing the difficulties with the Uighur genocide???? :klobuchar: :harold-manic:
Wait who's Luna?
Lenin retained more Kautsky in him than Kautsky did tbh, people read the renegade Kautsky and think Lenin disavowed him totally but he did not. The backbone of Lenin's thought really is still Kautsky's in many ways. See Lars Lih's work on Lenin and Kautsky's relationship, or the recently (first time translated and published) Karl Kautsky on Democracy and Republicanism collection Haymarket put out. Like ideologically the strongest influence on the Bolsheviks is arguably Kautsky's section of the SPD.
I'll be honest, even after reading state and rev, I don't fully understand what Lenin's big deal with him was. I see like he wasn't strong enough against the SDP, but I'm not even sure if I'm getting that right.
Here's one article that goes over that (note I don't totally agree with Lih here, he's being a bit provocative with the article title lol, but he's right about a lot of stuff imo). Basically Lenin thought (mostly rightly) that Kautsky was abandoning positions he once held that made more tactical sense then what he switched to doing (though Kautsky's self defenses are also probably worth reading).
In the way of ops the cia didnt make him. When they found out how much of a natural wrecker he is though. When they realized how much of the energy in the movement he destroys by by being bad at it they gassed him up.
Youtube gonna sugest a vaush video after a proff wolf video to numb your brain to make sure you don't learn anything.
He doesn't even need to be an Op as long as people give him money to be what he is.
The video she's responding to is one where he claims Marxism-Leninism isn't a real ideology, and was cobbled together by Stalin, there aren't actually any MLs, tankies are always wrong. Stuff like that. So Luna was responding to that - how she's actually studied Marxism-Leninism in school for 16 years and Ho Chi Minh was the one to bring it to Vietnam and it had nothing to do with Stalin. I guess she just got fed up with Vaush and other terminally online leftists shitting on AES and stanning Sanders and AOC while doing nothing to stop the West from exploiting the Global South.
Vaush: Marxism-Leninism doesn’t exist
The over 97.3 million members of Marxist-Leninist parties worldwide: :die:
I mean Marxism-Leninism absolutely has something to do with Stalin. Beyond him coining the word, and describing its definition, he was also one of the firsts to y'know... do it.
Aha, yes my both sides spidey senses were tingling. Shitting on AES for all the wrong reasons, not because it’s Kruschev revisionism. Love anarcho-Bidenism lol
Yeah she went off on that too - Western leftists/liberals (+ media) will constantly talk about how various Socialist countries (like Vietnam) failed or aren't socialist or whatever, without actually ever talking about why things are the way they are - they'll mention Vietnam allowing Western capital into the country and using that to condemn socialism/communism. But they'll never mention the IMF, the World Bank, the US sanctions etc that led them to that point.
If V*ush was consistent with his beliefs, he would love Vietnam because they go to great lengths to encourage cooperatives, which is basically his short-term prescription for the US.
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Edit: a bug in the emoji menu made this post more than once, but I’ll keep it for emphasis
You're trying to trick me into listening to V*ush and it won't work.
Serious question, has Vaush actually read any theory? Like has he claimed to have read stuff? I know the obvious answer is to say no, cause really everything I've seen of his is void of any real analysis and is typically either reactionary or some type of whataboutism or uses a bunch of assumptions for the future without much merit. A prime example is how he claimed "we" would push Biden left and so far, as expected by anyone has even the slightest clue who Biden was and is, knew this was never going to happen.
How does someone like that keep digging a hole and keep believing what they believe without being ashamed of themselves. I've said this before and will say it again, Vaush is a great example of how online shit isn't real life the vast majority of the time on top of him creating docile leftists who put too much faith in elecoralism. I don't think he is an op, because streamers really are like this, but he checks every box that an op would have. The way he tells his fans to believe so much in electoralism while simultaneously stifling critiques about how electoralism is only a small piece of the pie when we're talking about building socialism in America. I know he has acknowledged partially but I have absolutely no clue what he recommends his fans to do actually build socialism. It's like slacktivism but somehow even worse because of how culty his following is. Where will he be in 4 years when nothing he claimed Biden would do comes true and we now have a republican in office. Is he going to continue the just vote shit? cause lol
Pretty sure he barely reads any, don't quite remember what he said about it, but him not reading theory is a meme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE_removedh5muo
The link had a slur and was filtered :bruh-moment: here's the video https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/grxfra/vaush_on_reading_theory/
This is why we have to stop v**shposting, whenever we do it it gives him more power to change URLs to whatever slur he wants
“I do often say that I’ve read no theory. In reality, I’ve read some, and as of last night, I’ve read quite a bit more.”
He quote mined for his "Marx, Engels, and Lenin would vote for Biden" video, and that seems to be a large part of the reading he's done. He originally said that he read the books he cited, but changed his story when Hakim called him out.
Is that an actual quote? In other words, he read a total of like ten minutes, then one night he read for like two hours and felt like he understood things much better?
How has Vaush not been beat to death in minecraft for being an utter fucking shitlib. Like i work with a literal capitalism worshiping robo chud and i find him less insufferable than vaush and this is literally the first time I've ever heard vaush talk.
It's hard to believe that before I started watching Hakim, the most of Vaush I knew was that he dunked on chuds and neonazis well. I kind of want to pretend that they're two different people.
