What is that godforsaken place :sadness-abysmal:
Literally nothing they say even sounds liberal it was just pure chud brain seepage with a couple leftist words thrown in there.
Can someone explain what I just looked at? because I have no clue.
Their fanbase is made up of a particular species of downwardly mobile WHITE, right-wing liberal who blames radlibs for the death and inability to resurrect a nostalgic form of Keynesian republicanism
They mistake respectability for solidarity, Assimilationism for Interculturalism, and most importantly have never read a lick of theory, aside from a couple of Marx quotes they vibed with for a few minutes
In short.....morons
Basically if you go to art school in NY or London, or hang around with people who do, you have to be at least somewhat “leftist” to really make friends/network. This is because being right wing is very uncool. However, if you’re not actually left wing, you’re not going to be able to keep up the facade for long. You keep the aesthetics but drop anything meaningfully left in favour of contrarian hot takes that get people talking (also good for the personal brand).
No idea about the listeners of the podcast though. Presumably it’s all proto-chuds who want a bitchy art school gf but are too dorky or don’t live close enough to a major metropolitan area to get one.
When it comes to the hosts plus other Nazbol types like Aimee Terese... I think their entire ideology starts with "hating liberals". And how they define "liberal" is similar but not quite the same as how conservatives define it. But like you said, actually being a reactionary is completely unacceptable for them from a social standpoint. So how do you get to hate liberals but not be a reactionary? Well, there's this "socialism" thing out there. You could just adopt the aesthetic and some buzzwords and then you get to hate liberals all you want without the social consequences of being a reactionary.
You could just adopt the aesthetic and some buzzwords
In the case of Aimee Terese it's ALL buzzwords
proto-chuds who want a bitchy art school gf
like half the recent posts are just "ideal RS GF" "average RS couple" etc.
Yeah it’s extremely horny lol. Apparently the hosts are always fetishising working class guys but only date within their own arts circles, making me think the purpose of the podcast is grifting Patreon bucks out of simps who work shitty jobs.
This, except you don’t even need an art school. Corbyn won a mock election with 70% of the vote and greens got 2nd at my sixth form. It was in the only constituency BNP stood a candidate last election.
art school in NY or London,
I was told artists were working class comrades
just pure chud brain seepage with a couple leftist words thrown in there.
Communism and socialism are just a way of organizing the economy of a society. Abolishing racism, sexism, transphobia, homophobia and all other kinds of chuddery are a battle in addition to that for communism and socialism.
Feudal institutions were repurposed under capitalism to brutally enforce its mode of production, and as such cannot be dissolved without also abolishing capitalism.
Not only that. Capitalism cannot be meaningfully fought in the core without tackling these issues and overcoming them, as they are indispensible parts of the atomization strategy that divides the workers here. They are so few, we are so many. The tiny bourgeoise class would be turned into spicy shish kebab immediately if it couldn't scatter and partition its victims.
Racism in particular also serves other integral functions in the service of capital, by justifying imperialist aggression and colonial expansion, by creating a racialized underclass that exacerbates precarization and helps to keep the reserve army of labor desperate and compliant, by underpinning the fear mongering that makes the people feel they need the shock troops of capital to police them for their own safety. The Thin Blue Line truly stands between us and all the stolen wealth, yet we are supposed to believe it stands between us and barbarism, and that deception only works when we have a bogeyman we believe to need protection from, and that bogeyman is the super predator belonging to whichever racial or ethnic group happens to be the most reviled at the moment.
Sexism, homophobia, bi erasure and transphobia are ultimately outcroppings of the patriarchal control regime that ensures the generational transfer of wealth inextricably linked to truly rising to the top in capitalist societies. The cishetnormative nuclear family sits at the core of the only viable wealth accumulation strategy in our society. The policing of our gender expressions and our very bodies themselves also intertwines closely with the control regime of self optimization. Every advertising billboard screams down at us how to be, how to behave, how to desire, and it does that by dictating to us what a man should be like, what a woman should be like.
Classism and ableism also apply here. The mercyless, eugenicist social darwinism and veneration of strength that we can observe in fascism, the active, violent extermination of the disabled and the homeless that we saw under the nazis are nothing but the radicalized, unmasked expression of capitalist competition. Punching down on those deemed less functional, less streamlined, less capable of performing, is the core value of a capitalist society. Fascists are merely those who have internalized that mindset to the fullest. Yet they are far from the only ones who will eagerly remove you if you become seen as a burden.
When we truly undermine and topple these concepts, when we see them as part of the bigger picture and do not only fight them on a surface level, but expose and root out their connections to the material conditions we are being forced to live under, we weaken the stranglehold capital has over our societies. Fighting bigotry, not in the liberal sense, but in a holistic sense grounded in material analysis, is nothing that can be postponed to a golden age after the revolution, it is needed NOW, to create the conditions for revolution in the first place. We need to unite the workers, all the workers, not just the white, cishet, authochtonous, able-bodied, able-minded workers.
I'm glad it's early in the morning, I'm well-rested and I've just finished my coffee, so that I can fully appreciate how well you articulated all these ideas. A+ post, comrade. :fidel-salute:
This. It’s why class reductionists are dangerous as fuck. Intersectionality is how we make sure everyone is free.
just a way of organizing the economy of a society
redditors are quoting dictionaries, should try reading Marx and learn why a philosophy of praxis is essential
I really question how someone deludes themselves enough to become a nazbol
"I went to a place that would upset me and then I got upset. How could this happen?"
Lol don't go to niche subs full of dick heads, you dope.
Given that many cops/military folks come from working class backgrounds, it's fertile soil. My enemy is not the police or the military, it's the class that controls them.
Down side is, when it comes down to it, folks who were in the professions that I used to be in would likely kill/injure/harrass the folks that I chat with now.
Its like dogs, sure, we don't want to see a dog hurt. But turn that dog into a weapon and let it loose and you'd be a fool to treat a dog as an innocent animal instead of a direct threat to your life.
You're absolutely right imo. We shouldn't have an attitude of fake universalism where everyone and anyone is welcome because we're all in this together and all that bs. Any organization should ruthlessly vet all its members, especially cops.
But as a beaten down american, I'm used to being pulled over once a month and having my car searched twice a year. But with the coronavirus and George Floyd protests, they backed off. I remember this one mf last august who pulled me over. He straight up told me "who said anything about a ticket, you're being really nice to me." The most pathetic thing I've heard from a man in uniform.
Most of them are literally dogs. they just want approval from their bosses AND 'the people they help keep safe.' If the country gets to another crisis where they begin to question who they really serve, I cant imagine a more profitable fault line to exploit.
They're literally dogs trained to do what they're ordered to do. Why wouldn't you want the few authentic ones on your side?
Why wouldn’t you want the few authentic ones on your side?
Its the "when" we figure out we're on the wrong side of history that needs to be paid attention to.
While I was in uniform, with a complete lack of political philosophy, body armor on my chest and a rifle at my shoulder, you absolutely shouldn't have viewed me as anything less than your enemy.
After I had been places and seen things and managed to get the fuck out... it still took me 15ish years stumbling around looking for some type of political philosophy that didn't make me feel like a monster. Now it's probably safe to place some trust in me.
I guess I'm less trying to say that you're wrong and more trying to express my feelings from my experiences.
Most people who believe in socialist economies have reactionary/conservative social views compared to the average person who uses this website.
If anything what you expect is uncommon unfortunately. People have different priorities/awareness and the movement prioritises certain struggles over others.
There’s a reason why USSR wasn’t a gay feminist utopia. While capitalism enforces some of the bigotry, it won’t just magically go away under socialism. Think of it this way, at least they’re half way there, some of them will come around.
Meh, the USSR only existed because a feudal system was in place that kept a large majority of people’s material conditions were shitty enough to where a revolution felt necessary. But I really believe first world capitalism will throw enough crumbs down to their chosen whites that a large portion of currently moderate to even republican white people will be comfortable enough to not question the system. Not to mention the amount of propaganda western countries have about socialism, I really do believe the only people who will be open to major change are the currently marginalized, and that the pathway to revolution in the US atleast, will be through intersectionality with the currently marginalized.
It's not like Red Scare is particularly left, why would their listeners be?
I listened once. More than enough to convince me "Mean Girls: the Podcast" wasn't for me.
I'm going to be controversial. I don't think they're that bad. Maybe uninteresting (to me), and not as far left. God knows they shit on us for equally dumb reasons.
I'd rather left not break into smaller and smaller subgroups.
But then again, I'm reading the sub now, and keep seeing the r-word and shitting on trans people. :deeper-sadness:
the best description i've seen for this stuff is that they're basically just the type of conservative social democrats you see in nordic countries all the time. like had bernie actually been successful this is probably what a lot of dems would be like now.
social democrats you see in nordic countries
labor aristocrats are imperialists
One of the only times I ventured onto the redscare sub was when I was trying to google something about Jamie Peck. They had a thread about her full of comments calling her a whore, saying she was lying about the allegations against Terry Richardson, shitting all over #MeToo. It's the type of stuff I'd expect on 4chan. I'm not even sure that sub ever discusses actual leftist politics.
Atleast when I scrolled through they were cheering on DNC’s homophobia
