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On Wednesday twitch changed their site rules to allow artistic nudity. The policy allowed streams to display nonsexual nudity as long as the stream is tagged, so that the stream would be hidden from the front page. Twitch rescinded the policy 2 days later.
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the gamer rage about 'titty streamers' has to be documented like wtf is going on with that (misogyny)
A lot of it is misogyny, especially in the case of so called titty streamers that are really just women wearing normal clothes (leggings, tops with midriff) and then being hypersexualised.
However, I also think some of it's because in a lot of cases these people are shit at the games and not very entertaining. At the start of it I remember certain 'titty' youtubers were using fake gameplay. Their content is more based on sexual parasocial relationships. It doesn't really belong in the same space as a bunch of other entertainers.
Twitch is a cam site. They can't be mad they have cam girls
Or that cam girls score higher in the scale of what gamers brains want to see.
Twitch has a some streams that are literally a woman in body paint or pasties jumping for money. Some (not all) of the titty streamer complaints are about this, not women playing games in a swoop neck.
AFAIK the most recent rule changes don't address this, it's still allowed, but you can't stream yourself drawing a naked person.
Doesn't really fit into my point, but here's the funniest ban during the brief window where drawn nudity was allowed: https://x.com/baalbuddy/status/1735397897242579068?s=20
So weird the moral panic that was happening from this lmao. People are way too obsessed with kids seeing nudity, every generation grew up trying to see porn, from boomer magazines to fuzzy ppv on channels you didn't have access to to sneaking it on a laptop, I don't see how this is effectively different lol.
Whatsmore is that there's this pretending like the Internet isn't one giant ecosystem. There's literally nothing stopping kids from opening up pornhub, or if it's blocked some other million sites to choose from, on another tab and saying they're 18 lol. Why does it fucking matter if twitch allows some nudity on there?
Why does it fucking matter if twitch allows some nudity on there?
It does to advertisers who don't want their product associated with that. Also, Hexbear doesn't allow nudity / porn partly because it doesn't fit the culture that the mod team wants to cultivate, same goes for Twitch
same goes for Twitch
nah, they also promote joining the military and beer to children. they're just caving to weird incel nerds who wont shut up about this. it has nothing to to with any kind of moral imperative
I think they’re most likely caving to advertisers. Not g*mers.
And parents. G*mers and incels can pretend all they want that they're mad about nudity and they'll harass the people doing it but deep down they want their titty streams and are probably frothing at this ban. I think it's def more advertisers and parents who walked past their kids on twitch and saw them watching some softcore.
Idk I think it's the conservatives that control financial middlemen with veto power, like banks. not advertisers. Advertisers tend to love sexualized imagery and use it all the time.
partly because it doesn't fit the culture that the mod team wants to cultivate, same goes for Twitch
What fucking culture ARE they trying to promote on twitch? Kinda seems like the platform is basically designed for cam porn.
As one YouTube comment I saw elegantly put it
The cam site finally became a cam site
I think hexbear does allow nudity so long as it's properly tagged as nsfw, but not porn. I've definitely seen some butts on here
Someone linked a video of themselves lactating while "a red sun rises" played. That got removed but it did happen
Whatever happened to it? Used to see a lot of posts from that account.
Was that the weaponized use of boobs during a struggle session that I remember happening?
it was a conversation, heated, about the allowing of sexuality and something about hyperfeminization/hypersexualization as a way of expressing desired gender identities. It kinda did not make sense as an argument.
A lot of shit happens all the time, but screenshotting our own comments is poor form so we don't record weird shit we do.
You had the option to let us go on not knowing this existed. Knowing it existed and is now unobtainable is the cruelest act against humanity. I think in solidarity we should all recreate this wonderful sounding art. Not to post, but to put in a locket that we keep close to our hearts.
it's weird to compare hexbear and twitch, different websites for different things with a vastly different budget to moderate things on. like we exist here on a nothing budget for a niche audience, while twitch is MASSIVE in comparison
i guess i think of major websites as sort of central hubs of the web, so it's odd to cordon off it like this, similar to tumblrs banning of adult content
Apparently this is a hot take: porn should be age-gated.
Nudity isn't the same thing as porn and while you can argue that twitch's new policy bans too much, it's inarguable that many streams were pornographic. Kids shouldn't be suggested streams of girls twerking on their Fortnite website.
Also I think pornhub and similar porn sites should do more to filter out children.
it's not a hot take, it's what everyone is saying in the discourse. i'm saying there's nothing to be done about it and kids looking for porno and finding it before they're of age is a ubiquitous experience throughout multiple generations and i do not think this is particularly different.
you can dislike this but i mean it's just reality.
Yeah some people on the Internet act like kids start (or should start) puberty at 18. they don't, sorry guys. The answer is actually decent sex ed and specifically teaching them how to protect themselves from creeps, not trying to gate porn behind a driver license or whatever the Mormons think of next
Exactly. It's all very protestant to be moralizing about it like this, it's not good.
Not going to get into the violence vs nudity thing, but I mean there's plenty of very gory and toxic video games out there, viewable on twitch, that are probably more damaging, or at least world view effecting, than seeing a tit
There is something to be done about it... like not hosting porn on the same website that kids use to watch Minecraft, for starters. And it's being shown to everyone, not just people that are looking for it.
I'm saying it's one tab over, no matter what. The Internet is one giant place.
I grew up on the internet, I'm talking about my own experience lol.
I think it's denying reality to think that taking porn off one website somehow makes it any safer for kids when they can literally open a browser tab and go to 4chan at the same time they're watching twitch.
Put a little "are you 18 and older" pop up in front of the channel and filter it out of the main content feed, or have a setting to "view adult content" with a parental lock on it for the ones paying any attention
Respectfully, that's a terrible attitude to have. If you can't think past your horny self, then think of the girls who have to grow up seeing women sexualized in the games they play and on the websites they use.
Taking porn off a website makes that website safer for kids, that's not denying reality. It's not that complicated dude. By your logic, every website including this one should be flooded with gore too because anyone can "literally open a browser tab and go to 4chan at the same time"
I'm just saying it's not worth having a moral panic about, not that it doesn't make sense to moderate and filter content. Or at least that is what I'm intending to say rather.
I.e. I don't buy "think of the children" arguments because there is much, much worse shit going on than a kid seeing some boobs.
Porn should not be in spaces not specifically for it. It's distracting and at times disgusting when it's where it doesn't belong.
My point is the cat is out of the bag. The Internet is a common space and it's literally full of porn.
I'm not saying this is good, or whatever, I'm just looking at the reality of the situation
No you're not. Porn in non-porn spaces should be cracked down on. The fact that people's actions changed when they modified their rules show they're at least minorly effective.
The whole concept here is I find this stuff akin to moral panic dumbassery, so I'm going to exit the conversation.
I do not believe this is something worth getting worked up about.
It's nothing against you fwiw, I think you have a reason to disagree with me I'm just not invested enough to argue either way. Cheers
Is the former policy why I saw a screenshot of some greased up girl without a top on twitch?
I don't think twitch could possibly be used for "artistic" nudity tbh. It would just become a cam porn site, which it almost is anyway.
Yes. There was a surge of streams that were testing the boundaries of the new rule. I think Twitch may have revoked the rule because they were overwhelmed by how many streams were testing the limits.
testing the limits.
yeah, testing the limits of how big of a dick and balls would fit on their drawing of a wolf-man.
get that bread while they'll let you i guess.
Considering the history of streamers testing the limits, they must have known what would happen
Is the former policy why I saw a screenshot of some greased up girl without a top on twitch?
depending on the girl she might've been dressed and using a suggestive camera angle. if you saw female-presenting nipples i'm thinking of someone else.
IIRC it was framed so the image ended before any nipples so she could have been wearing some kind of top ig
The latest policy doesn't change that. They rolled back depictions of nudity, but not any of the rules around actual people.
Is it artistic nudity if you titty stream if you play Bach in the background?
female presenting breasts lol topless men aOKAY then? pre op trans guys with hairy tits alright? non passing trans women?
this community concern just stinks to me that some capital G gamers are upset they can't keep women out of gaming, it's about ethics in video game streaming or something
i'll never understand live entertainment outside of people's obsession with the thrill of seeing a mistake anyway, ala Janet Jackson, give me carefully curated scripted content, or give me death
Though the distinction between girl boobs and boy boobs is silly, that's a cultural thing not a twitch thing. Have you been on twitch much? It was filled with low-key porn streams of nude streamers & artists drawing smut and high-key porn streams of women twerking.
(And I know the distinction between porn/not porn is blurry but if you saw them you'd get it)
I don't think gamers are the community with the concerns, if anything, they're mad that twitch is kicking out their cam girls.
i've spent far more time lurking in manosphere adjacent spaces than I have on twitch, and that definitely colours a lot of the views I have about online interactions lol
I hope you're right
The new policy hasn't really done anything yet. Go to twitch right now and choose to watch an art stream. I guarantee you'll see a whole bunch of twerking - I saw 4 streams without needing to scroll down. (also several artists drawing skimpy women with massive dobonhonkeros)
Show
F in the chat for all the cute furry twinks and femboys drawings
Got it. If I'm gonna nude on Twitch I'll make sure its very sexualized and in bad taste with no artistic merits.
Obviously there is an element of misogyny, but I think most of the people here complaining about the rule have not actually perused Twitch to see how things were (let alone a more thorough investigation). "Titty streamers," though I don't use the term, aren't just busy women playing video games (that is fine and within policy). Hot tub streams aside, "titty streamers" are the ones who are top less whose entire stream is just them sitting their, periodically shaking their shoulders and "reacting" to "content" that takes up about 1/16 of the screen and that's the whole stream for fucking hours. Twitch is trying to not be saturated with softcore 24/7.
It's really just a pathetic state of affairs, though just the one a shitty site like Twitch deserves.
They're still allowing that though as far as I know. Just can't draw fat cocks, etc. anymore.
Oh yeah, didn't mean to imply I was so up to date I really knew what the "artistic nudity" manifested as beyond that it was more of the softcore like the website already has.
Here's a quick guide:
Softcore = flaccid, fat cocks
Hardcore = erect, fat cocks
Art = making an entire mockumentary season about spraying fat cocks on the side of your high school teachers' cars
This is what happens when there are only 6 websites or so. You shouldn't get your softcore parasocial stuff on the same website as video game streamers. There's gonna be some infiltration but this is why different websites exist, sometimes you get dudes streaming video games on porn sites as well, but it's the exception until you conglomerate everything and then you gotta do weird policy choices to try to have all the cakes and eat all the cakes too.
Cowards never even let people smoke crack on stream, free my boy Hunter
