• Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    1 year ago

    Planes are bad because you need to land at an airport and there aren't airports everywhere.

    Cars bad because you need to dig in order to make 20 lane wide highways.

  • CarbonScored [any]
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    1 year ago

    If the paragon of poor economic choices is overtaking you economically, how truly below awful is your country doing?!

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    Every problem with rail this person lists is also a problem with every other form of transportation. You also have to lay roads, docks, or airports to get stuff where you're going. Infrastructure has to be built unless you're transporting stuff by donkey.

    Rails are still less expensive to build and maintain. Railroads are something like 2/3 the cost of equivalent lengths of highway, and yet have greater cargo capacity and fuel efficiency.

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Nah, everyone knows that cars and roads used to roam wild in the americas until they were domesticated by the intrepid settlers of america.

    • Dolores [love/loves]
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      1 year ago

      Infrastructure has to be built unless you're transporting stuff by donkey

      oh please don't give them the idea to do donkey-uber

      • NPa [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        lathe-of-heaven NeuraLink-controlled autonomous Donkey Ubers

        "We're sorry, but your DonkeyUber has been struck by an 18-wheeler while trying to cross the freeway. Please hold while we find you a new animal."

    • 7bicycles [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Donkeys also require infrastructure. You ever been hiking? The difference in exertion from even the shittiest of gravel roads compared to roughing it through actual untreated terrain is insane and even the shitty gravel road is by all means a herculean effort

    • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      You also have to lay roads, docks, or airports to get stuff where you're going. Infrastructure has to be built unless you're transporting stuff by donkey.

      Only one solution remains then. REJECT MODERNITY, RETVRN TO TRADITION

    • ditty@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      Hell, donkeys didn't hit peak efficiency until the Royal Road/Silk Road was thoroughly established

  • Dyno [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Literally the most efficient form of land-based transport ever invented. Steel wheels on steel rails have very low rolling resistance.
    NAH, it's bad because you can't clog up the lines with masses of inefficient, tiny, personal trains.
    Also, you have to dig through hills and mountains to lay track - you definitely don't need to do that for highways (except for all the ones that you do)

  • Azarova [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    Ben Norton was dunking on this absurd take

    Many hard science programs in the US indoctrinate graduates with neoliberal economic dogma while leaving them politically and historically illiterate. But because they have PhDs, they arrogantly believe they know everything, and make extremely stupid comments like this, showing they are actually deeply ignorant about many things. Just because you worked for NASA doesn't mean you know anything outside of your narrow field.

    twitter | nitter

    This loser also has "hyperloop" in his bio, which should instantly disqualify you from ever talking about transit ever again

  • DragonBallZinn [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    smuglord: "YOU DISAGREED! YOU DISAGREED! THAT PROVES ME RIGHT SOMEHOW!"

    And if China is the paragon of poor economic choices, then how is it considered a threat to US hegemony?

  • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    This mf said enjoy digging as if they’ve ever had to pick up a shovel and dig to make a living.

  • nothx [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    i really appreciate that a blue check indicates a post that you don't need to take seriously.

      • nothx [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        These people take social media way to serious, bragging about your fake degree on twitter is really funny.

          • nothx [he/him]
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            edit-2
            1 year ago

            I don’t know that for a fact, but people who put their degree in their social media display name are goofy.

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Look at the fucking followup tweet?

      "Ohh no a bunch of people are telling me I'm a dumbass. First day here losers?"

      • ferristriangle [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        "Ohh no a bunch of people are telling me I'm a dumbass. First day here losers?"

        What is that supposed to mean? Is he saying that the fact that he's a dumbass shouldn't be news to anyone and is so well established that it isn't worthy of comment?

        • Adkml [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          What he thinks it sounds like is he's a free thinker who doesn't care what other people think about his opinions.

          What it actually sounds like is he's such a huge dumbass if anybody is surprised that's on them.

  • PKMKII [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Want to create car-length transport on rail roads? Can’t.

    What car brain does to a MF.

    Besides, we already have a work-around for that, as well as the “what if the railroad doesn’t go there?” problem: Auto train. Train can take you 90% of the way and then take the personal vehicle the last 10%.

    • 7bicycles [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Gonna be honest here the Auto train is an incredibly dumb idea born out of car consumerism. There's absolutely no need to ferry a lot of cars somewhere on a train inherently, they could just have cars there you could rent

      I get the economics of this, car rentals are expensive and all, but it's not a good idea generally

      • PKMKII [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Yeah it’s not really something that makes sense en masse, there’s a reason Amtrak runs it as a specialty line to a tourism hot spot. Point is, if it was absolutely necessary and personal vehicle rental wasn’t an option at the destination station, the option is on the table.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Or you could just have a bus station integrated with the rail station.

  • WIIHAPPYFEW [he/him, they/them]
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    1 year ago

    “THE PARAGON OF POOR ECONOMIC CHOICES”?

    Motherfucker,

    Economically, there were initial concerns, particularly outside China, over the high-speed rail's cost, debt and profitability. However, research by the Paulson Institute has estimated the net benefit of the high-speed rail to the Chinese economy to be approximately $378 billion, with an annual return on investment of 6.5%.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      for the record the long term average of the s&p 500 is 6.45%, and that is considered a good investment. 6.5% is a smidge better but it should be noted that transportation historically is not very profitable by nature despite the value it provides, so the fact that they have been able to get such good returns for the economy at large is pretty impressive.

      • ferristriangle [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        This is good context, and I typically avoid the profit conversation on topics like this altogether.

        Not everything can be or should be designed and operated around profit. Providing a service costs money. When something is a public service, the benefit that the public receives from operating that service isn't profit, the benefit they receive is the service.

        The whole point of transitioning towards socialism is that we want to be able to organize our labor and put the resources that we generate as a society towards projects that give some kind of benefit to us, not just towards projects that can turn a profit for people who privately own the economy.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      Yeah, but what if China had invested its HSR budget into Bitcoin instead?

      smuglord

    • Fishroot [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      This is what happened with bike lane too. Naysayers say that bike actually block people from parking their car and penalize small businesses.

      But in reality local businesses profit actually goes up after the lane is set up

      https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/biking-lanes-business-health-1.5165954#:~:text=Bike%20lanes%20can%20boost%20retail%20sales&text=The%20city%20has%20been%20tracking,in%20the%20rest%20of%20Manhattan.

  • SuperZutsuki [they/them]
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    1 year ago

    When society treats these people like the infants they are, we might actually make some progress. Instead, we entertain every crackpot idea with mountains of VC money and government grants while shunning superior, already-existing technology. And I'm sure it would surprise these morons to find out that trains are still improving significantly and we're not still riding what were essentially steam powered bombs. I know it's all to sustain car supremacy but fuck, I just want one city council to treat the carbrains and NIMBYs like the adult children they are. Escort them to the play room with the hot wheels and lincoln logs and tell them to make their model town and city council will take a Polaroid and hang it on the fridge.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      1 year ago

      Looks like he's a Math Guy out of University of Syndey. Which does not give me much respect for their math department.

      Can't imagine a doctoral board giving this guy more than a sharp kick in the ass for delivering a dissertation in this style.

      • jonne@infosec.pub
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        1 year ago

        Is he the reason we don't have high speed rail between Sydney and Melbourne? It's absurd how many flights there are between both cities.