A variety of considerations held him back. “The wife,” as he put it, had her doubts. He wasn’t sure about the “ginormous leap down in luxury” from living in deep residential comfort on land in the US midwest to living in a very small cabin on board a 30-year-old cruise ship. He was worried, too, by the limited facilities – “No kitchen of my own? Tiny bathrooms? Tiny everything?”

  • comi [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    As with many stories about techno-libertarian fantasies, the tale of the Satoshi begins in an all-male, quasi-frat house in San Francisco in the late 90s.

    :michael-laugh:

    Thanks for this gift

    After trying multiple insurers and brokers, Romundt began to realise that the cruise ship industry was, as he put it, “plagued by over-regulation”. (Along with airlines and nuclear power, according to Harris, it’s in “the top three”.)

    • comi [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Seeing the pod’s nascent form, I felt a boringly pragmatic urge to ask Romundt what happened if, once afloat, you needed to buy a pint of milk. My question seemed to miss the point, too wedded to old-fashioned notions of locality and human connection. The Pods had been designed to have a hatch in the roof, Romundt said. He was talking to some drone creators and imagined people flying to their pods independently, landing on the roof and entering through the hatch. Perhaps that’s how you’d get your milk.

      :ohnoes:

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Always a good sign when your new revolutionary form of living has a "Perhaps" when you try to describe how to get basic foodstuff.

        • 6bicycles [he/him]
          ·
          3 years ago

          On the other hand an unregulated drone flight service is gonna take about two weeks before it has killed literally anybody using it

      • CrimsonSage [any]
        ·
        3 years ago

        to old-fashioned notions of locality and human connection.

        "Why no I dont feel emotions fellow huemaan. Why do you as such a question with your meat tongue?" -Mr.ActualHuman Libertarian

  • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
    cake
    ·
    3 years ago

    Romundt began to realise that the cruise ship industry was, as he put it, “plagued by over-regulation”. (Along with airlines and nuclear power, according to Harris, it’s in “the top three”.)

    Lmao yea why would people have tight regulations on industries where things can go catastrophically wrong? :ancap-good:

    • ToastGhost [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      control rods? we dont need those! more reactions means more money!

      • CrimsonSage [any]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Also the source of 5% of all GHG emissions the last time I checked. Literally we are ending our civilization to ferry Ohioans around the Caribbean on these tubs.

    • VILenin [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      But what if I want to have my face ripped off by g-forces as the Boeing 737 Max I'm in nosedives into the ground?

  • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
    ·
    3 years ago

    “Let’s think of government as an industry, where countries are firms and citizens are customers!”

    Let’s not yikes what is wrong with libertarians

    • Awoo [she/her]
      ·
      3 years ago

      "Let's find ways to say corporatism without saying corporatism or fascism."

    • CrimsonSage [any]
      ·
      3 years ago

      Yes because the British East India Company was totally not responsible for repeated Holocaust level human induced catastrophes.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    Libertarians:

    • Thinks taxation is comparable to literal chattel slavery
    • Will still choose it over having a small bathroom
  • SoloboiNanook [comrade/them]
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    edit-2
    3 years ago

    “Democracy,” the two men wrote, “would be upgraded to a system whereby the smallest minorities, including the individual, could vote with their houses.”

    holy mother of god there is some wild shit in here

    "Elwartowski and his girlfriend, Nadia Summergirl"

    fuckin what lmao

    "“We had a kind of funny idea,” Olthuis told me. In his scheme, the Satoshi would connect, via two looping tunnels on the water, to human-made floating platforms designated for agriculture, manufacturing and parkland. From the air, the whole community would form the shape of the bitcoin B."

    lmfao i cant stop coming back here and putting in these insane statements

    • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
      cake
      ·
      edit-2
      3 years ago

      Vote with their houses

      What 0 awareness of what material conditions are does to a mf. I mean the amount of privilege one must have to come to this conclusion is wild. Houses are hard to come by for minorities and the poor now unless you’re gonna subsidize them in your libertarian paradise (lol) how are they gonna get these unproven expensive new interlocking floating house pods?

      Also they decouple from the city and then what? Unless we also have Star Trek food replicators on this libertarian ocean city they’re just gonna go off in the wilderness? Or go to a “competing” floating city state, i mean “firm”? “If you don’t like it, get out” isn’t gonna help the marginalized if the people running all these things, tech bros most likely, still have biases against them.

      • comi [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        be on a pod

        Money run out.

        drone delivery don’t work

        sat phone is disconnected

        you try to wave to people in near pods

        they are too busy reading ayn rand

      • SoloboiNanook [comrade/them]
        ·
        3 years ago

        No you dont understand we are going to hook up to the cruise ship and do some uh farming or something and it will all be in the shape of the bitcoin logo!!! its like building dubai but on a boat!

        All you need to read about how fucking insane their worldview is, is the paragraph where some dude is talking about his retired life, working 5 hours a month on a houseboat in Canada and i quote "Enraptured by his lifestyle, Romundt wondered why everyone wasn’t living this way".

        wow geez dude i wonder?!?!?!

      • 6bicycles [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        What 0 awareness of what material conditions are does to a mf. I mean the amount of privilege one must have to come to this conclusion is wild. Houses are hard to come by for minorities and the poor now unless you’re gonna subsidize them in your libertarian paradise (lol) how are they gonna get these unproven expensive new interlocking floating house pods?

        They're not and that's the point?

        This is democracy for land owning white males with some off the rough edges sanded off, i.e., libertarianism

    • CopsDyingIsGood [he/him]
      ·
      3 years ago

      "Nadia summergirl" i had to read this like four times to make sure I wasn't having a stroke wtf

    • Sacred_Excrement [comrade/them]
      ·
      3 years ago

      would be upgraded to a system whereby the smallest minorities, including the individual, could vote with their houses.

      At least this idiot's logic is consistent with Libertarianism (property above all)

      • SoloboiNanook [comrade/them]
        ·
        3 years ago

        I mean they just doing an america again except this time its with your floating dogshit houseboat instead of land lol

        • Sacred_Excrement [comrade/them]
          ·
          3 years ago

          Even the regressive US had voting permitted for pretty much all white men by the end of the 1820's, but you're not wrong lol

      • TheCaconym [any]
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        edit-2
        3 years ago

        Another proof we're living in some sort of deranged fever dream.

  • happybadger [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    The difficulty in starting a new form of government, said Friedman, was simply a lack of space. All the land on Earth was taken. What they needed was a new frontier, and that frontier was the ocean. “Let a thousand nations bloom on the high seas,” he proclaimed, with Maoish zeal. He wanted seasteading experiments to start as soon as possible. Within three to six years, he imagined ships being repurposed as floating medical clinics. Within 10 years, he predicted, small communities would be permanently based on platforms out at sea. In a few decades, he hoped there would be floating cities “with millions of people pioneering different ways of living together”.

    Love trying to evacuate open ocean with millions of people as a hypercane consumes continents on its approach. Love floating around large waves of sewage and trash from my libertarian neighbours that think municipal garbage collection is a conspiracy. Love eating the remaining fish that have the misfortune of swimming through all of that fuel which I trusted libertarians to procure with some idea of how it might affect things around them. Love how the Navy thinks the most dangerous things at sea are basic outpatient dental issues and disease outbreaks so they have a full list of mandatory vaccines and dental procedures before you can touch a ship.

    • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
      cake
      ·
      3 years ago

      all the land on earth was taken

      They wanted to unironically do a bioshock but a boat was the best they could do rn lol

      • happybadger [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Yarr harr diddly dee, no age of consent on international seas. Captaining drunk without insurance fees. I'm a libertarian.

        • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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          edit-2
          3 years ago

          :maxwell: literally had (still has?) a seasteading company she was collaborating on with the Clinton Foundation so yeah, this is actually a thing and it's not just the libertarians, it's the neoliberals too because neoliberalism is just libertarianism with extra steps.

  • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
    cake
    ·
    3 years ago

    Dudes will buy a cruise ship to form an ill conceived government on the high seas instead of going to therapy

  • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    “If you drove a car from 1787, it would be a horse,” he pointed out.

    look at the big brain on patri

  • princeofsin [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    As soon as Capt Harris joined the ship and met Koch on board, he realised there would be challenges ahead. “I was thinking a week into the job, I can see I’m going to be resigning,”

    :biden-fall:

  • Nounverb [none/use name]
    ·
    3 years ago

    These people need to be rounded up and their wealth expropriated for Christ's sake

  • bort_simp_son [she/her]
    ·
    3 years ago

    A variety of considerations held him back. “The wife,” as he put it, had her doubts. He wasn’t sure about the “ginormous leap down in luxury” from living in deep residential comfort on land in the US midwest to living in a very small cabin on board a 30-year-old cruise ship. He was worried, too, by the limited facilities – “No kitchen of my own? Tiny bathrooms? Tiny everything?”

    And we worry about these people fleeing to space? Nah, they won't even last a month in their luxury doomsday bunkers.

    • 01100011101001111100 [she/her]
      ·
      3 years ago

      If they actually decide to get out, wouldn't your pilot just toss you out the plane and take your bunker? And what about all the people that built the things and know where they are... I guess they're hoping the electronic locks and shit are totally impenetrable but given silicon valley's track record for broken shit I bet theyre easily crackable.

      • bort_simp_son [she/her]
        ·
        3 years ago

        If a problem with the bunker requires pushing even 3 buttons in a correct order to solve, the bougies will need human workers to do it for them.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    edit-2
    3 years ago

    I love the how clueless the reasoning behind these kind of projects are.

    "No government can touch us if we build our new utopia on a boat!" — Do these fuckwits actually think governments would leave them alone in the off chance their project ever evolved to something more serious than a few fedora-wearing weirdos on a boat?

    • emizeko [they/them]
      ·
      3 years ago

      nerds like this usually think they're the ones who will figure out a loophole in "the rules" without having any idea how power actually works

      • SoyViking [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Believing that power follows The Rules is one thing. Lots of people believe that. Propaganda machine goes brr and all that.

        But libertarians believe that while simultaneously believing that government is evil, immoral and tyrannical. They can't even make their own beliefs internally coherent.

      • bort_simp_son [she/her]
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        edit-2
        3 years ago

        Showing the evil, tyrannical, totalitarian, authoritarian 1984 government my property deed so they have no choice but to leave me alone. If that doesn't work, I'll remind them what the 4th Amendment says until I become immortal.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    edit-2
    3 years ago

    holy shit I may have had brunch once with this Patri shithead a decade or so back. intensely libertarian, doesn't wear shoes walking around on public streets (hookworms are back on the menu!), and from what I've heard does a lot of drugs and throws big orgies for his libertarian dirty-footed friends

      • 6bicycles [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Yeah until you get someone with a foot fetish on board and then it's still fine because consenting adults and what have you, but it absolutely does not rule anymore

  • Torenico [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    A fleet of libertarian cruise ships? Imagine the inevitable conflict among their communities, big ass cruise ships ramming each other or getting small weapons installed on them.

    If there was ever a time to invest in submarines... it is now.