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  • Rem [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I'm too much of a sicko, I always feel compelled to search the Twitter comments for the words take

    "capitalism is the reason they have an exorbitant amount of money, taxes r anti capitalist by definition by virtue of involving the state"

  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    It's a really good meme, but too many words to be popular outside of leftist circles. Real leftist meme hours

    Still great though

    • PeludoPorFavor [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      is it even a leftist meme if it's not either at least a paragraph long, or tucked behind at least three layers of reference and irony?

    • Donut
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      1 year ago

      deleted by creator

      • MathVelazquez [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Lol a single paragraph for a meme isn't wordy? We really are leftists.

        • Donut
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          1 year ago

          deleted by creator

          • MathVelazquez [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Because we're usually trying to dismantle ingrained propaganda instead of relying on it entirely.

    • chadhominem [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Lol a criticism of which literally reinforces AOC's purpose of her messaging at the gala.

      • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        I mean if you're going to do this at least go for "eat the rich". Someone was wearing "peg the patriarchy" overalls, the bourgeois fucks don't care. "Tax the rich" is pretty weak imo

        • chadhominem [comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          The response to the message on her dress from hyper online bummy leftists would not change if it were "Tax the rich", "Eat the rich" or anything else.

  • LGOrcStreetSamurai [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    I always wonder if AOC would garner less vitriol if she were less conventionally attractive. I don't want Vocel Police to get involved but it always seems to me as a passive observer of her that CHUDs seem uniquely upset by her (and other conventionally attractive leftists). Are people unable to parse the idea that phyiscally attractive folk can have views that challenge the status-quo? Is it because she isnt a dinosaur like everyone else in our goverment? Are people that thirsty/horny?

    Don't get me wrong the Capitalist Realism of this image isn't lost upon me, but I am always curious how the perception of left leaning people as "hippie", "colored hair SJWs", and/or "soy" has melted the conservative brain. It happens with AOC, Hasan Piker, all sorts of leftie online queerfolk too. It's strange to me that being hottie and being left leaning is some how worse than just being left leaning.

    • chadhominem [comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      Yes she would. Her being attractive + popular + the message on her dress - is what's driving the vitriol. There were literally 20 other elected officials at the gala - because it's a fundraiser for a non-profit museum in their city and they're invited for free. Her message on her dress is literally only good. That is, if you understand that she is - and always has been - a demsoc electoralist.

      The only people this will piss off are reactionary chuds and clout demon online leftists who haven't been in a social situation with more than 10 people since college.

      • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Her message on her dress is literally only good.

        The message on her dress also defangs the “eat the rich” to merely “tax the rich” which is, not good.

        • Three_Magpies [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Omg, right? It accomplishes nothing, and only serves as catharsis for those who are still dying beneath capitalism.

          It is nowhere close to good. It is the rich having a laugh at our expense: “Allow them this meaningless gesture; rents are going up tomorrow to pay for more police.”

          Ugh.

      • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        The dress is plenty awful on its own but as one of those terrible online people to your Left, what gets me going is the people dumb enough to think AOC is anything but an op and an obstacle to Socialism. This is just instance #367273 of her completely draining all radicalism from a movement and message and folding it into the Democratic Party.

        I could point to the thousand times she's voted to sanction enemies of the state, the thousand times she's voted for military budgets, the thousand times she has failed to use her and the "Squad's" leverage on crucial votes.

        I know that you guys think starving the global Proletariat is an acceptable price to get universal healthcare, but it's not acceptable and you'll never have healthcare.

      • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        leftists who haven’t been in a social situation with more than 10 people since college.

        You say this like it isn't just a reasonable way to respond to the world we live in

    • LoudMuffin [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The CHUDS all have this weird thing where they want to fuck her. I mean /pol/ is just all interracial porn lmao

  • cilantrofellow [any]
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    3 years ago

    I should read that book. In my head I always thought it was a flaw of unscrupulous markets to allow for anti-capitalist messaging to proliferate and spread across consumers to potentially and/or ultimate destroy it. I still think that somewhat but it would be good to see another perspective on it.

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      Its definitely not a risk free strategy of the bourgeoise, but for the most part unless everything goes extremely to shit the bourgeoise can just rob socialist revolutionary messaging of all its power by putting it on this mythological marketplace of ideas and drowning it in shallow "debunking" by the "free media" and other mediums like academia.

      Because the resources of the average bourgeoise will never be less than that of the working class and revolutionaries this strategy works very well while being hard to detect because of all the obfuscating indoctrination like the whole idea of the free press vs state press, or using the dismantling of historical socialist projects as proof of the failure of socialism, as if dismantling a person limb from limb would mean proving all of their ideas and goals a failure too.

      • cilantrofellow [any]
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        3 years ago

        Citations Needed’s most recent episode on #deleteuber being co-opted for their “anti-racism” campaign is extremely relevant to this.

    • mittens [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      yeah it's pretty short, if you read theory already you may probably think it's too basic, but i think it's still fairly on-point and provides a handy map to explore modern leftist thought for beginners wanting to delve themselves into it

      • cilantrofellow [any]
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        3 years ago

        I have adhd so nothing can be too basic lol. I’ll just forget it again anyway.

        • mittens [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          The book manages to fit in a couple of thoughts about Fisher's students being unable to muster enough attention to actually read a book. I'm pretty sure he had them in mind when writing capitalist realism so it's a very approachable text. As someone with ADHD himself, I found his diagnosis to be a bit of a mixed bag, but he does have some good insight on the matter.

    • activated [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      It's a good jumping off point for Marxism and 20th century critical theory in general. If you find any of the people he brings up and references interesting, it's worth checking them out. For example, his discussion of Postscript on the Societies of Control got me into Deleuze.

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      Apparently its a jab at some singer who wore a "Build the wall" dress to the same gala 2 years ago, so its literally just celeb tier passive aggressive shitflinging.

      Really embarrassing for any politician to engage in, plus like you said no matter what she's still hanging out eating fancy shit with all these rich assholes.

    • mittens [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I can validate your cringe feelings, since this demonstration, which I could describe as a limp-wristed provocation or maybe if I'm feeling generous as some tepid détournement from someone who maybe watched too much gossip girl, also doubles as actual merch advertising. Consider this: AOC also sells through her webstore what seems to me a bona fide fashion line of clothing sporting the "Tax the Rich" slogan and her personal brand at a steep markup. Granted the profits are stated to be used as fundraising, but the exercise of commodifying unrest against the rich is still being performed. If it makes you feel uncomfortable, it's because it is full of uncomfortable implications.

      • RollOfTape [none/use name]
        hexagon
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        3 years ago

        Any anti capitalist merch really. Organic food, veganism (i.e. Beyond Meat), all "ethical consumption" to some degree. While it may improve conditions somehow, it never even threatens the system.

        • Haste_Hall [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Lmao what the hell, the literal point of Beyond Meat is to not challenge the system. It succeeds at what is trying to do.

          • RollOfTape [none/use name]
            hexagon
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            3 years ago

            I've been in shouting matches with vegans about Beyond Meat and similar companies making this exact point lol

            • LGOrcStreetSamurai [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              I am a vegan and I hate how veganism has a strangely large and vocal liberal/capital friendly group of practitioners.

          • ppb [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            IDK about that but on the scale of 20 to 100 years in the absence of a successful proletarian movement it might make a huge difference.

            • Haste_Hall [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Just like all individual consumption choices. Hence the need for a successful proletarian movement.

          • meme_monster [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            So you mean to say a plant based meat substitute is not meant to supplant meat in the western diet?

            • Haste_Hall [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              For the individuals who chose it? Sure.

              For the entire food supply? Lol. Lmao

              • meme_monster [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                Is there a capitalist explanation of why they wouldn't want to cannibalize the entire meat industry?

                • Haste_Hall [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  They may want to but they're just not going to without some outside force(s) removing real meat as a practical choice.

                  • meme_monster [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    Surely they realize that if they don't move fast they're just gonna be a footnote in the history of our bug eating future, right?

    • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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      3 years ago

      In Capitalist Realism, Fisher used the movie Wall-E as an example

    • mittens [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Everyone has explained how anticapitalist sentiment is Incorporated into commodities through their fetishistic dimension, as in how purchasing certain things carries certain connotations of activism or anti-capitalism (if I buy the starbucks cup, it helps coffee farmers In Brazil or whatever) but I think Mark Fisher was more concerned with interpassivity. Allow me to give an even more zizekian example than the starbucks cup that has nothing to do with anti-capitalism: the sitcom laugh track. The laugh track in a sitcom is not just to represent when you're supposed to laugh, it performs the laughing for you. The whole point is that when you finish watching a sitcom you still feel good about it even though it wasn't that funny. The show took care of the laughter part already, so you feel like it was funny by proxy, through some vicarious means you feel satisfied.

      There's real insidious part is that movies like WALL-E perform anti-capitalism for you as well, watching WALL-E allows you, for an instant, to feel like you did some real activism by proxy. The dress at the met gala allows you to partake on that interpassive aspect, AOC is performing anti-capitalism for you, provided you vote for her, she will continue performing anti-capitalism for you. Commodity fetishism is, I believe, something innate to the commodity form so it's inevitable, your brain incorporates the fetishistic qualities subconsciously, so if you consume like Beyond Meat or Starbucks coffee because it makes your brain feel good through some moralistic implication, it's a bit whatever, we all do that with all commodities. The real danger is interpassivity consuming actual social initiative, feeling rather satisfied because someone out there is doing the activism in your stead.

    • stigsbandit34z [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Pretty sure there's a word in Marxist thought that describes it, but I can't recall at the moment

    • IceWallowCum [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The idea that we can just consume our way out of crisis (eg. buying metal straws to save the oceans - accept and internalize the idea that capitalism ruined the oceans, but fail to see that only leaving capitalism behind is going to save it, instead turning the yearn for change into a product which you consume and then can move on), plus what mittens said

  • sandinista209 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    The progressive Twitter cope on this is crazy. “She’s making taxing the rich mainstream!!!!!!” Bruh she still went to the met gala and that sentiment should already be a no brainer.

    • stigsbandit34z [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Not only that, she went to the met gala where outside protesters were getting beat up by cops

    • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      It's already a wildly popular policy. Literally the only people who think this is positive are people with zero class analysis who think the US is a Democracy. "We don't tax the rich, therefore taxing the rich isn't popular enough, and she's helping spread the message."

      Everyone needs to get it through their fucking skulls that popular will has literally nothing to do with legislation in America. Electoralism is a dead end. None of you will ever see an ounce of quality of life improvement until revolution because you can't force a bourgeois republic to behave as if it weren't a bourgeois republic.

  • RedArmor [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Again, just right wing opportunism by someone who is a succ dem at best

  • BruceWillis [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    meanwhile the NYPD beat the fuck out of people outside the event: https://twitter.com/AshAgony/status/1437542209042198528