• WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    She always does this pain in the community/volatility and understanding bullshit instead of being good on foreign affairs. I just want someone on my side, I don't want someone to cooperate with ghouls.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      ilhan and rashida are probably the closest you got there unfortunately

  • yukofrezzeda [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Everything else aside she just seems really bad at politics. I forgot if it was brace and liz that called it way back, but it has been a long time since aoc has been able to coherently explain wtf she's doing.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    3 years ago

    I don't really grasp what community she is referring to with "our community", because it sure as shit doesn't seem like its the Palestinians being ethnically cleansed from their lands.

    I just genuinely dont understand what she means with the democratic party having displayed a lack of regard for "its most vulnerable and endangered members and communities" with this vote, who are these people? (please add a Seinfeld emoji)

    • Vncredleader [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Her community is those who are not being killed, and those who can stomach, but may not like seeing those being killed.

  • a_maoist_quetzal [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    i read the whole statement and is there some place i'm missing where she actually says why she changed her vote?

    all I see is objections to the bill and the procedure, some mention of a tinderbox of vitriol, and I conspicuously didn't see a point where she says "and that's why despite claiming to oppose this bill I didn't vote against it".

    unless the mewling over procedure is supposed to mean "since we couldn't have an open debate i decided to just wash my hands of the whole thing and take no position," which is just... breathtaking

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      No, she says nowhere why she made the decision to change her vote from no to present, nor does she acknowledge having made that decision.

      • Haste_Hall [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        The obvious answer is that it's a result of pressure by the Zionist, pro-Israel lobby, which is particularly strong in NYC in particular.

        And because American politics is fucking stupid and completely co-opted by Zionist interests, she can't even dare to mention that.

        What has Jamaal Bowman said about his YES vote, btw?

      • activated [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Go back and read the second page of it, last paragraph.

        Basically she is claiming that people in her community were reacting with horror at the idea that she might cast a No vote to a near unanimous vote to fund something Israel can afford if it wanted to.

        Further, she's claiming that her hand was forced because mean congress people rushed the vote. That had she had (in her words) a few hours to open communication, she could have addressed this. But that since everyone else abused process by rushing its vote, she had to placate the hysterical zionist voters.

        This is obviously bullshit. It's especially obvious since she originally DID vote No until Pelosi had a word with her on the floor, at which point she changed it.

        So she's a lying piece of shit.

  • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Palestinian isn't the fucking N-word no matter how much your PMC-ghouls claim so.

    This could be any Tumblr or slurry live journal post about anyone and anything in the last thirty years.

    I don't expect anything from American faux-socdems but this is worse than old racist ladies kneeling with vaguely African scarves on.

    Regardless of what your (within an insanely narrow political spectrum) view is every great hope seems to boil down to "wah wah wah, people are mean, people might be mean, what if someone says something bad, people being mean on Twitter is worse than people I don't know dying, boo fucking hoo wah wah wah. Why yes, I will fund your surveillance package."

    I'm so fucking sick of having to listen to these fucking people.

    Edit: I'm drunk and this annoyed word salad is astonishingly confusing in direction & who it's addressed to even reading it back. I'm not going to delete though, because there's a point or two in there somewhere that still stands and also fuck cultivating some online personality or whatever.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      the last one I remember mattering was coming out for Bernie after the heart attack in... October 2019

          • hahafuck [they/them]
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            3 years ago

            It was probably strategically the right time since it worked out so well, so idk that it is a fair criticism, but remember there was a while where he was running and she hadn't endorsed and people on the sub were getting worried

    • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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      3 years ago

      She made an amendment to a bill to reduce the Pentagon budget a few days ago but that does not really do much since of course a majority won't sign on

    • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      She called Israel an apartheid state like a month ago, which makes yesterday's cowardice all the more bizarre. (edit: this was in May, damn time isn't real anymore)

  • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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    3 years ago

    I'm usually on the side of "If you're not a social democrat then why do you care so much about them," but this is really dumb. There are still other people who voted no, and the more of them there are the less focused harassment is possible. The existence of such pressure is exactly what would make a No vote meaningful, because it would help to push back and normalize opposition. This just tells the people harassing her that bullying works :AOC-cringeometer-high:

    spoiler

    Still think we should care less about her than the other hundreds of congresspeople no one ever talks about.

  • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    No defending this one. Cowardly, and glad to see DSA condemn her cowardice here.

    And don't think Jamaal Bowman's off the hook. He voted yes, and I hope DSA seriously reconsiders re-endorsing him.

  • please_dont [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    It certainly wasnt the first time people's well being was tossed aside for political convenience

    The context behind this is a “money to genocide palestinians” bill but this sentance, the tears and the “well being being tossed aside” isnt about the palestinians but to you having to face “vitriol” ?

    Just go fuck yourself. Useless selfcentered garbage

    • Vncredleader [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      genocidal jackass deserves vitriol more than a single Palestinian deserves the existence of the iron dome

  • solaranus
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    11 months ago

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  • CommCat [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    so she's basically saying, she's afraid of being called an antisemite by rabid Zionists? am I reading it right?

  • determinism2 [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    A majority of the feedback was to "quell the volatility of the moment". Yes sir. Yep.