AFAIK the correct solution to the pandemic hasn't changed since 2019: test and trace, pay and support people who need to isolate. That's the only way you prevent spread and the rise of new variants. China did this, now they can roll out the vaccines on a voluntary basis and while they're not completely relaxing other policies, they're not experiencing giant outbreaks.
"Well China doesn't have to deal with a population of hogs and they did it right from the start, we're so overwhelmed with covid we can't take such a lenient approach with vaccination now" Isn't it still true that most unvaxxed are also uninsured, and have good reason to be skeptical of the government and pharmaceutical complex? Pushing the technocratic fix on people is engendering resistance, and it can't /just/ be from the hogs, can it?
I'm not sure if a real solution can be implemented in the US, but I don't understand why so many people on here are embracing the solution pushed by both liberal parties. Like, trying to get everyone to drive an electric car is not solving climate change.
Should we just get used to the masks? Am I wrong and it /is/ just the hogs throwing a tantrum?
Edit: I'm vaccinated for covid, I guess I've caught a little brainworms comrades. Thanks
vaccines stop people dying. I don't care what libs do and don't support, our politic is not defined by them
Why do so many people on this website act like masks are more effective than vaccines, despite the overwhelming scientific consensus otherwise? Comparing vaccination to electric cars is a "just asking questions" anti-vax talking point. Masks are fine, I wear them indoors in public places where there's no vaccine passport. Whatever.
Vaccines are the most effective and least intrusive tool for stopping the pandemic. Things do not stop being true just because Democrats say them.
Masks are effective. But no one wvwr wanted to invest in getting the entire population free N95 masks. And fauci’s media ouchie of saying masks don’t work because he’s a fool.
Yes, vaccines are the most effective tool for stopping some aspects of the pandemic, but masks are the compliment. Masks prevent the need for social isolating if used properly. They’re ineffective because everyone has fucking fake masks sold for huge profit margins lmao
Yeah, I'm fine with this. Masks are good! I wear them indoors! They should have been free, handed out by the Postal Service the day after the pandemic was declared, and Fauci should have been fired and discredited the second he said masks didn't work.
And of course, masks' limitations are that you have to wear them constantly and many cloth masks aren't good enough, while a vaccine is poke poke and done.
The vaccines are free. Distrust in big pharma does not invalidate other cures, such as insulin, which despite being produced for profit by the same corpos, people still take, and it works. Big pharma is interested in every worker drone getting back to making them billions of dollars as soon as possible, so they have no inherent reason to provide an ineffective cure. We have had mandatory immunizations for everything from the military, to certain jobs, to immigration, to everyday annual flu vaccines (most of which aren't 100% effective against the strain they're supposed to defend against either). What's suddenly changed?
It really is just dumb hogs throwing a tantrum, placing people with actual compromized immune systems, not to mention vast swathes of an otherwise healthy population at risk, creating the chance for more dangerous mutations in the meantime.
Yes, mass quarantining would've been better. The material reality is that we live in a neoliberal hellscape where individual "freedoms" outweigh the risks as a whole, which is why the US has nearly a million dead and other countries do not. Quarantining was not, and is not politically feasible. There are no government mechanics to set it in place, and even if there were, I wouldn't trust a neoliberal state to carry them out in a safe and beneficial manner. The next best thing available is vaccines. Get your shots or this thing will never end, and we'll be handwringing about cost-benefit of doing or not doing this or that thing. We don't live in a socialist state that can wield political power effectively. There is no use in wanting to do what China or this or that other state did.
If the shitheads in the government just gave everyone n95 masks and mandated their use, we’d be in a lot better shape with regard to the vaccines effectiveness. Social isolation ala China was never an option because of our suburban and semi-rural areas. Rural China didn’t do lockdowns in the same way as the cities did
That still leaves too much (in)action up to the individual, imo. There's just no political capital to carry a mask mandate out, and the enforcement of such a rule would be left up to everyone's favorite sole conceivable mechanism of enforcement under neoliberalism: the cops, who would surely never abuse their position to make life hell for poor people on the basis of something as silly as a mask, right?
I am in favor of opt out vaccine mandate. If you dont want a vaccine. You should be allowed to opt out and be left in the wilderness to die as you aren't willing to function in a society.
Going unvaccinated is in no way comparable to driving a petrol car. Sure, carbon emissions are dangerous and drivers kill people every day, but those dangers are clear and avoidable. Going unvaccinated is potentially infecting everyone you meet, which cascades exponentially in a way that cars just can't. We could theoretically stop driving cars and find replacements, but if we let people go unvaccinated all the time it's going to infect everyone eventually, and keep mutating variants. If both things are bad, the solution is to replace both, not to keep both. Invest in trains. Invest in vaccines. As long as the vaccines are free and you can get time off you have to be a literal baby afraid of needles to refuse. If the vaccines don't work, why would the imperialist countries be hoarding them?
vaccines stio excessive death and lowers transmission period. masks are the solution, always were. But like there are mandatory vaccinations all over the place: when you are a kid, when you go to africa/south america. The solution of trace and isolate would get exact same muh freedoms treatment
I wouldn't say masks are the solution. We need to be using every possible measure available to handle this pandemic.
hypothetically speaking, with 90 percent reduction in transmission they could even hold delta variant (if 7-9 number is correct for unmasked people), but of course thats very optimistic 100 percent of people in masks
China is using some degree of mandates/vaccine restrictions, isn't it? Article link. It's hard to tell as every news article seems to be a schrödinger China of: authoritarian forced vaccinations , while simultaneously not using mandates.
But really, vaccines work and are the most effective option against covid. A mandate isn't removing freedoms except in the smallest, most narrow-minded individualistic way. They're providing freedoms to everyone in the community by giving the freedom of not catching covid. I don't see how they're any different to speed limits, or obviously any of the other vaccine mandates like when you travel.
covid. A mandate isn’t removing freedoms except in the smallest, most narrow-minded individualistic way. They’re providing freedoms to everyone in the community by giving the freedom of not catching covid.
Fucking thank you, this is really well phrased. Being against mandated vaccines is :100-com:% “muh sovereign citizen” toxic individualism.
human life matters, measures that protect human lives are good.
that is all.
test and trace, pay and support people who need to isolate. That’s the only way you prevent spread and the rise of new variants.
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Vaccination is the most important part of disease prevention and keeping mutations to a minimum. All that other stuff is great, but you won't need tests, quarantines, or masks if we get to herd immunity. Like, do you want to live with this shit forever or take every opportunity to eradicate it?
There isn't really a vaccine mandate except for cops, nurses, and certain employers. It's basically a testing mandate that vaccinated people can opt out of, which imo is long overdue. Get tested people
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OK. Since you're probably going to get banned regardless for ban evasion, what's your previous account so we can look at these posts you're referring to in the modlog?
Edit: lol, banned again.
my feeling is that the left is going to look back on this and be deeply ashamed.
I certainly hope so. I hope the leftists arguing against measures designed to save human lives so they can entertain the delusion that this is a matter of personal autonomy rather than public safety are fucking ashamed of themselves.
