Can someone give me good news? Maybe this is a fake story?
Yeah I voted for Biden, I'm sure he'll fix this any second now, just hold on. If you're still in line stay in line!!
The only hope for mankind is that climate change is actually a liberal hoax
That, or aliens :posadas:
Nah that lines up with the worst climate change scenarios. 2030 is when we're supposed to be really feeling it
Some billionaires will continue to fantasize about escaping this and fleeing to Mars!
you mean the billionaires want you to think that they actually think that
no billionaire is dumb enough to think that--in reality they all have isolated bunkers and humongous plots of farmland which they will fuck off to.
but a few really do get high on their own supply. Steve Jobs effectively killed himself
True, but liver cancer is way more complicated than global warming.
as dumb as Steve was, it's infinitely more plausible to believe that "cancer can be cured by fruitarianism" than to believe that "global warming will be fine"
True, but what billionaire doesn't own farmland? All it takes to outrun climate change (for a billionaire) is to buy a few acres of farmland in a sparsely populated region, and build a bunker nearby.
Even if they truly believe they can fix climate change, all they need to do is take a private jet ride when it becomes obvious that they're wrong. They can literally wait until the last minute, their "yes men" will literally fly the jet to them just before the cities start burning down.
Yeah, there are billionaires who have explicitly built underground bunkers in bumfuck Canada surrounded by dozens or hundreds of acres of farmland
But even the "bluepilled" billionaires own SOME farmland. And they have private jets. It's as simple as "holy shit the supply chains are collapsing, I was wrong, I have to gtfo" and then they just do it. Because y'know, they own a private jet. simple
no billionaire is dumb enough to think that
have you heard of elon musk?
I don't think elon is that dumb. I think he knows that people are that dumb, and he enjoys acting dumb. He knows his companies are worthless, and he's just milking it and making IRL SimCity plans (which will only ever be plans) for as long as the facade lasts.
The only things that fundamentally matter are land food and guns. I don't think there are any billionaires that are too stupid to realize this
Has Elon bought up a bunch of arable land? I'm pretty sure Elon is that dumb, in the same way Trump is just as dumb as people think he is. They have a kind of self awareness but not enough that questioning themselves ever happens, they just insist a thing is true and their yes people agree.
Has Elon bought up a bunch of arable land?
has he not?
It's not like the news would report "Elon just bought 200 acres of land". Bill gates had to buy 269,000 for them to report on it. For reference it takes 2.67 acres to sustain a person comfortably (US style diet). Maybe bump that up to 6 acres to account for inefficient use due to newbie farming skills.
Nobody is going to report on a billionaire buying the amount of land needed to sustain them, because it's just such a tiny amount of land that it's forgettable in comparison to everything else they do.
You could theoretically buy a hovel and store some canned sardines and lentils in there to last you 5 years. The food supply would cost only a couple thousand bucks. People's survival needs aren't expensive.
If you're just talking about a contingency plan, I don't think that implies Elon thinks he's wrong, just that he's hedging a bet. I'm sure you've read stuff about him back in the aughts etc but none of the accounts of him back then suggest to me that he's particularly grounded in reality.
there are two basic interpretations of the "mars" plan
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humans will terraform mars and it'll become a major haven for human life. This is what some people unironically believe and it is obviously totally delusional.
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humans will spend enormous amounts of money to create a base on mars or the moon
I think #2 is possible, and probably is what elon is trying to make happen or believes can happen. I don't think that's particularly unreasonable
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Space flight is just a money put used for people interested in asteroid mining and creating sealed environments to live in when they go galt
It occurred to me the other day reading one of Branson's tweets that these billionaires aren't doing space travel to escape to mars -- that would be crazy because it's easy to die in space. Like, so easy.
They are doing space travel to send workers and the poor into space so they can clean up the earth and live here isolated from the lower classes who they will send to their deaths working on the moon or whatever.
It's all about getting people excited about leaving earth, so that its an opportunity rather than a death sentence when it starts happening.
The only thing Elon does successfully is talk big with empty promises to get people excited about his companies. I consider this the same.
Based on his track record I wouldn't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
He has no business sense, you don't need it when making giant lies - you just someone to tell you what people want to hear
I'm just saying if musk is your source, even for his own wants, I wouldn't take that as enough proof that it's true.
They are doing space travel to send workers and the poor into space so they can clean up the earth and live here isolated from the lower classes who they will send to their deaths working on the moon or whatever.
That is a certainly a theory but something that is only relevant maybe 100 or 200 years from now when space travel is as convenient and affordable as flying.
Even if you could launch a 747(lets round to 500 passengers) to space every single day just to dispose of the poorest 1 billion people on the planet it would still take 5400 years to get it done.
A single 747 to space is already about 100 times the current single launch capacity. If you scaled it another 100 times on top of that it would quickly become cheaper and easier to just do good old genocide. To be any more unrealistic than that is just going into the real of science fiction.
For context only about 600 people reached orbit so far in over70 years.
And you wonder why the billionaires are putting so much time and effort into solving this problem
They'd choke to death on the emissions from the launches before anything else - those things output about as much as a few billion people a year every time.
That number was from a misleading headline - it wasn't more than a billion people - it was more emissions that 1 person in the bottom billion of emitters worldwide.
It's still a lot but not that ridiculous
damn - well I suppose the principal is the same - you'd never be able to ship enough people offworld without really fucking things up.
Today is average day! Worse than yesterday, better than tomorrow!
If someone said this to my face I would clock them
Nah, its just going to get steadily worse for the rest of the century. There'll be dozens or hundreds of mass casualty events, but no definitive "end of the world". It'll be over someday, but not that soon, and not all at once.
It will be a very slow, painful march towards collapse, unless we get a supervolcanic eruption or impact event that block sunlight for several years...in which case it will be a faster, still painful march towards collapse.
Edit: or something as contagious as coronavirus but much more deadly, like in The Stand.
So nobody wrote really books, created art, or developed science in Europe from the fall of Rome until the Renaissance. Reverting to another dark age could postpone our extinction.
They're running the clock out and then it'll be "There's nothing we can do, just gotta learn to live with it" like they're doing with covid.
probably a bit alarmist but who knows, try the sea ice forum for more in depth discussion, it's pretty good
