• wifom [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Trump has a more grounded take on Chinese affairs than basically any other person in establishment politics lmfao

      • spectre [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        It's honestly creepy how aware the actual bourgeoisie are about class warfare and aspects of materialism compared to the dipshit propagandists they put out there in the media. We're finally hearing Trump speak without a Republican speechwriter (badly) keeping him on rails, and usually only their point guy Tucker Carlson is allowed to talk in terms of class.

        Like "comrade Trump" is good slop as a meme and everything , but it's also skeeves me the fuck out when they speak "my language" so much more clearly than people I run into in daily life, or even in media, I usually have to get down into my niche within my niche on this site to get that lol.

        • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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          3 years ago

          I've said this before, but smart corporate leadership and politicians are some of the staunchest Marxists in the USA, they're just on the "other side".

          • newmou [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            Wtf he’s a billionaire head of an international conglomerate of businesses he absolutely is bourgeoisie

            • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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              3 years ago

              Technically you could say Trump is more like "aristocracy" than "bourgeoisie" since he's a property baron, but that distinction hasn't meant anything in 100 years.

              • newmou [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                No technically he would very much be bourgeoisie lol

                • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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                  3 years ago

                  Well no because owning land and collecting rent is not strictly the same as owning "means of production", but that distinction has become less meaningful.

                  • newmou [he/him]
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                    3 years ago

                    Once a dwelling is wielded in a profit generating manner, it becomes a means of production because it is a way of using capital to produce profit/more capital for the owner

          • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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            3 years ago

            Yes he is? He's definitely not a proletarian lmao

              • spectre [he/him]
                hexagon
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                3 years ago

                bourgeoisie = noun for people who build wealth through means of ownership, especially the thousand or so billionaires who have the highest concentration of wealth

                bourgeois = adjective describing the above, whether literally or culturally (like "boujee"): "making money from the factory that you've been to is bourgeois." "dressing fancy and going to an opera is bourgeois"

                Like our comrade mentioned, we also using it semi-ironically or unironically toward the privileges of the American "middle class", some of which can accurately be described as "bourgeois"

                • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  In leftist spaces it's pretty much never used that way and when radicalizing libs it's one of the FIRST distinctions I bring up cause it can make richer people feel like part of the thing. Bring em in and then make them feel guilty about being rich, then they give money to leftist shit instead of just taking their chips off the left table. We don't need libs, but we do need their money.

              • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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                3 years ago

                What? No, that's not how class distinction works for Marxists. Middle class is borderline meaningless.

              • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                I think that definition was coined when upper class meant "literal aristocrats and royalty."

          • RedDawn [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            He very clearly is bourgeois and has been for his entire life, what on earth definition of bourgeois are you using that doesn't include billionaire real estate tycoon Donald Trump?

          • threshold [he/him]
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            3 years ago

            we're so into politics as sport, that when one politicians says something halfway decent we retroactively decide he's good

          • Duckduck [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Trump talks and acts like a kid from Queens. That's part of why the elite hate him so much. He may have gone to Wharton and be a billionaire who lived on Central Park but he still acts like the guy in a working class bar who will slap the shit out of someone who gives him lip or disrespects him.

            • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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              3 years ago

              Buddy, we are materialists here. Sam Walton in a baseball cap is not a salt of the Earth farm boy, and Trump being a pro-wrestling fan does not make him "Just a kid from NY".

            • ElGosso [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Lmao no he doesn't, he's a spoiled baby and he acts like one

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      Does Trump usually curse? I don't think I've ever seen him curse, I can't imagine what "there isn't a fucking thing we can do about it" would sound like coming from him. Just seems odd.

      • RedDawn [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Yeah, he does. You can hear him curse quite a bit in his rallies... In more official settings he tends not to, but in private he for sure has a potty mouth (remember also "grab them by the pussy", etc). At his rallies I know he has dropped a couple f bombs, a couple "son of a bitch" etc all on video.