• MaxOS [he/him, any]
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    5 months ago

    Accept both results the-democrat
    Accept Trump win, doubt Biden win frothingfash
    Accept Biden win, doubt Trump win maybe-later-honey maybe-later-kiddo
    Doubt both results gigachad

    • Orcocracy [comrade/them]
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      5 months ago

      Yeah the proportion of the adult population who won't or legally can't vote in so-called democracies in the west is fucking huge. In the last US election Biden won with about 24% of the total population voting for him (81 million votes in a country of about 332 million people). In the last UK election the tories had roughly 20% of the total UK population vote for them, and in Canada Trudeau and his lot got about 14% of the total population's vote. It's kind of shocking when you actually look at how little of a country supporting a party it takes to claim democratic legitimacy.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        5 months ago

        On a related note, a fixture of reactionary culture war bullshit across the west has been to make it harder and harder to become a citizen. This is going to lead to an increasing number of residents in Western countries being disenfranchised.

  • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    It's me the Joe Biden voter who thinks Joe Biden rigged it. Then again it's probably because I'm not American and voted 35 times.

    • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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      5 months ago

      Exactly one fifth of respondents were neither Biden or Trump voters. Among this invisible category, 25% opted "doubt both results".

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      I legitimately respect "whatever the government says is probably bullshit" way more than all the liberal pontificating about norms or whatever.

  • betelgeuse [comrade/them]
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    5 months ago

    If Biden wins then 57% of those surveyed would accept the results. If Trump wins, 63% of those surveyed would accept the results. So Trump is the better option for social cohesion?

    Also it's funny that almost half of the Biden voters would accept either results. If Dems were smart they would tap into that and push them to doubt more. But they're credulous dupes so they all "Well I guess the Fascist won fair and square, we must accept this!"

    • Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      Doing that would delegitimize the institutions the Democrats depend on for legitimacy. Not the thing to do when you are the party of order, even if it's a failing order.

    • Mesophar@lemm.ee
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      5 months ago

      I think they mean accept as in their belief whether the results were rigged or not. Like the January 6th insurrection. I don't think they mean accept as in "oh, this is completely fine!".

    • RedDawn [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      Yeah is that sliver saying they’re going to vote for Biden but doubt it if he wins? Lol

      “I’m voting for Joe Biden, and I also think he’s going to steal the election, but that’s a good thing”?

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        5 months ago

        Look, if the guy is able to steal an election he's clearly the strongest and most ruthless of the two. I'll rather be on his side than be with the loser nerds.

  • kleeon [he/him, he/him]
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    5 months ago

    Are there polls like this for previous elections? Was it always this bad?

    • coeliacmccarthy [he/him]
      hexagon
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      5 months ago

      I don't have data to back it up, but seriously doubting the legitimacy of a presidential election was just not a thing before 2000

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        5 months ago

        That's not true, it's happened before. The 1876 election for instance was highly contentious and I believe the first time a candidate won the popular vote without winning (Samuel J. Tilden from the Democrats). The election was disputed over a number of things regarding voter fraud, including accusations of disenfranchising black voters. Rutherford B. Hayes ended up winning through a compromise with the electoral commission, in what's called the Compromise of 1877.

        Basically, democrats agreed to cede victory to the republicans if union troops were pulled out of the south and reconstruction ended. This was honestly a very shitty idea because it directly led to Jim Crow laws and the structure of segregation that would last until the 1960s.

        Hayes was popularly regarded as a fake president in the south, only given the presidency through backroom deals instead of appointment by the consent of voters. The newspapers called him "Rutherfraud B. Hayes" which is honestly a pretty good dunk on his name