Is this the correct take on Ukraine?: The USA does not give a shit about the people there, they just want to prop up the fascist government to continue having a foothold against Russia?
The Europeans don't have anything to gain and a big fucking pipeline to lose, which is why Germany has been almost entirely hands off
What the Europeans have to gain is "continuing to be part of the US empire", which many liberals on the continent still want to do. Plus you have countries like the UK and Poland with historical nationalist grudges against Russia who don't take much provoking (and indeed, the UK is leading the way in militarizing Ukraine right now).
I don't get it either? Can it really be pure deluded nationalism? Well, the mayor of kiev supposedly warns that putin wants to conquer up to and including east germany
It is utterly ridiculous to believe he would want to. But at least there is an answer to why this insanity was said: the mayor of kiev is a ukrainian-german boxer who wants to elicit military and economic support from a country that has every economic incentive to stay out of any kerfuffle. And he's trying this by appealing to some cold war era nationalism.
conquer up to and including east germany
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I don't think so. They'll continue aiding the forces destabilizing Ukraine and probably step that up, but the only people that want war are US Defense Contractors.
they invaded Georgia in 2008 over less :shrug-outta-hecks:. nothing quite rallies a population like a war, which would sure up Putin's popularity for sure
I wouldn't frame the deliberately stoked ethnic tensions against the ossetians quite that way (from the georgian government).
I'm not so sure about the latter part, the annexation of crimea seems to have been very popular in russia, but the involvement in eastern ukraine hasn't necessarily been. Recent polling suggests that a war with ukraine is not really popular in russia.
But ... that doesn't mean Putin won't try
Russia is not some great defender of nations who had a bleeding heart for the struggle of the Ossetians, look at their own war in nearby breakaway Chechnya. they sweeped into Ossetia as a way to kneecap NATO who was getting friendly with Georgia, much like the obvious idea with Ukraine, which is pretty flimsy but goes along well geopolitically suring up the Russian flanks from NATO missile bases, and plays well back home with nationalists. idfk what he's gonna do in Ukraine is the gods honest truth, the annexation of Crimea really spooked the west and I'd have thought a direct attack on Ukraine would be too open a war not to drag in Europe
Russia is not some great defender of nations
Yeah no, you're absolutely right about this. They did the
rightprobably lesser evil thing for different reasons.
I don't claim that's beyond what Putin would do in regards to ukraine. Deliberately starting an unpopular war, then doing a false flag to rally your population around the war still seems like a weird strategy. The putin clique is quite entrenched in power and there is no unified opposition, so ... they're not that desperate in regards to their domestic situation. So looking at this as a measure to prop up domestic support seems a bit flawed
Deliberately starting an unpopular war, then doing a false flag to rally your population around the war still seems like a weird strategy
Projection is the name of the game when dealing with the West. The UK and US want to do this exact thing in order to distract the population at home with a war. Russia is largely just responding to aggression from NATO who has been deliberately trying to isolate them and make the 90s Yeltsin chaos permanent.
No. The "imminent" invasion is a straight up lie by the US/UK who want an excuse to restart the "Great Game" and are using Ukraine as a pawn to try to take down Russia. Russia is a preferred target vs China because the UK has had a looong historical grudge against Russia, and even the morons in charge of US/UK policy realize they aren't strong enough to take on China. Knocking off another rival - Russia - and incorporating them into the Empire strengthens their position though.
Lying about "Russian aggression" is an age-old state tactic to give them free reign to send arms to Ukrainian Nazis, similar to funding the Taliban to counter the Soviets. It also raises the stakes and tries to goad Russia into an act that can be portrayed as an "invasion".
Question for you, I've been hit with the counter claim that the presence of Nazis in the ranks of Ukrainian paramilitaries is overstated and largely a product of Russian propaganda. I've struggled to find sources that aren't rt to help back it up, but mostly just get those same photos of azov that we've all seen. Do you have source libs won't have wave away?
It doesn't really hinder my overall argument since the cias involvement is extremely well reported, all the way back to 2014-15. the Nazi stuff is a nice catalyst to get libs to change their pov so is like to be able to use it
Right Sector took their flag from the WW2 Ukrainian Insurgent Army who collaborated with the Nazis.
It's impossible to prove, by design, because any fighting force is going to have a mixed composition. Those libs are gonna claim anything that portrays the West/the West's friends in a bad light as "propaganda". The general composition of pro-Euromaidan and anti-Euromaidan should give you an idea of who's on which side. Sure, the Nazi composition might be overstated, but there sure are a lot of Nazi groups on their side, as well as various groups described as "ultranationalist" "national conservative", etc. Certainly gets the old noggin' joggin' even if they arent "Nazis".
There's also the fact that the US is currently prosecuting American far-right people who got caught committing war crimes in Donbas. One link.
Like, isn’t Ukraine just have a huge rally memorial for a Nazi soldier, that even Israel have to come out and told them to stop?
on the Nazi presence
So this is Stepan Bandera whos Portait is was Hanging Proud from the Cityhall of Ternopil until the Wind took Merci on us..
https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/status/1482327990121947147 google the guy ..
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I am starting to believe that Russia will do so, by the simple fact that NATO is edging far too close to Russia's sphere of influence for her liking. Ukraine has been tied to Russia for its existence, and Ukraine joining NATO effectively removes Russian interference for fear of World War III via Article 5.
The NATO negotiations have been a joke, and Russia has nothing to lose (apart from more sanctions, which Putin, the Oligarchs, and the general Russian economy has survived).
Man, if the Russia take action, no way China going to stand still, the nato and US truly playing with fire
First, if Russia joins NATO, then NATO border now extends all the way to the Pacific Ocean, surrounding China from all sides.
NATO is an alliance against Russia. Ukraine is the one with the eternal talks of joining, Russia is not every going to join NATO nor would they be seriously invited.
Opinions on Putin aside, Russia is in a far stronger position internationally today than the early 2000s. A successful US backed coup against Putin is magical thinking, US is growing weaker by the moment. I also don't see Putin upsetting US oligarchs enough for them to demand that heavy handed of regime change. They already killed the commies and looted the USSR's corpse.
Like, with Russia out of the way, China is likely the next target to concentrate, of course they want to prevent to happen. Right now as non intervene as they are, the west already shot them warning with all the propaganda, what happen when Russia out of the way
China is strictly non-interventionist and does not meddle in other countries' affairs
That's the scary thing with modern geopolitics. The best case scenario for the world-at-large is a quick invasion up to the Dnieper River, and Russia stops there and negotiates.
If China tries to exploit the moment of weakness from the West I think it would set off a powderkeg, but I think China will continue with their strategy of playing things slow and steady.
Well, my guess is that they send in "volunteers" to keep the civil war going until nato loses interest (maybe even ramp this up to increase tension, since putin will probably want to close the ukraine joining nato issue before stepping down, and it is assumed that he will not seek another term).
Well, unless there is a stupid provocation, like cancelling nordstream 2 or the swedes join nato or some shit like this.
Maybe someone finds this more economic analysis from adam tooze interesting.
I wouldn't claim to be a geopolitical mastermind but my understanding is that Russian control/influence over Ukraine is geopolitically vital for the existence of the Russian state.
Without it Russia has nothing between them and the west. Nothing defendable that is. Just a straight open plain right into the Russian heartland.
So knowing that i would assume Russia would literally fight for their life to maintain keeping western influence in Ukraine to the smallest possible. Because doing so is fighting for their life
Yeah Russia will go in , Red lines Are Redlines and Nato Currently is Using the Situation to Arm Ukraine Further accelerting the Classic Security_dilemma . But Nato played it really good , beeing now in a Position were they can fight Russia to the last Ukrainian..
Alexander Mercouris' opinion is that NATO got completely played into playing their hand and NATO has no good options. Their best option is funding and training insurgents for an Afghanistan style war, like creating the Mujahideen and ISIS in Europe except they can freely travel across the EU borders.
US Sanctions package means nothing to Russia-China and the CSTO countries. Russia can take Ukraine within hours, NATO will take days if not weeks to respond. I don't think NATO will not get into a war with Russia over the Ukraine, they will get destroyed and embarrassed. Same with NATO and Taiwan.
Nah, that's like punching themselves in the dick and they're not into that sort of thing. The US is the world bully however, and would love to say 'stop hitting yourself' so NATO has an excuse to sanction or whatever to increase control of the region and ofc money. An internet friend of mine is concerned the supply chain issues are in some degree due to the US diverting some stuff into war logistics in case they succeed in slamming RU's arm to their dick.
