If you have any useful resource links please tag me in a comment with the link.

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Please add to this if you can.

Links

Time/Map: https://time.is/Ukraine

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ukraine/@49.1162725,31.7993839,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x40d1d9c154700e8f:0x1068488f64010!8m2!3d48.379433!4d31.1655799?hl=en

Leftist discussion threads:

https://hexbear.net/post/177324

https://old.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/t03foy/genzedong_russiaukraine_master_discussion_thread/

https://lemmygrad.ml/

Twitter military updaters:

https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary

https://nitter.net/Militarylandnet

https://nitter.net/MihajlovicMike

https://nitter.net/KofmanMichael

https://nitter.net/TadeuszGiczan/status/1498673348183744518

Global South Perspective: https://nitter.net/kiranopal_/status/1498723206496145413

Better war/propaganda analysis:

https://www.understandingwar.org

https://www.moonofalabama.org/

News updates:

https://www.cgtn.com/special/UkraineCrisis.html

Live: https://www.cgtn.com/special/Live-update-Ukraine-Russia-border-crisis.html

YT/Video in Ukraine:

https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos

https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTe

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  • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Someone help me back away from this ledge, I'm starting to feel like I should make excuses for Russia. But what they fuck where they supposed to do? Ukraine was poised to join NATO and put nukes right on their doorstep. Russian separatists who wanted self-determination where being horrifically killed in Donbass. The Ukrainian government is in bed with neo-fascists and everyone in Russia pretty much hates Nazis. Maybe Putin should have only have recognized and defended those breakaway republics and not gone as far as he did into toppling Kiev. :stalin-stressed: Dunno what to think here.

      • SorosFootSoldier [he/him, they/them]
        ·
        3 years ago

        The blood is on the hands of US imperialists.

        That's what I'm thinking too. It all comes back to the USA and it being at fault, for like, everything.

          • Lundi [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            No? Kind of ridiculous to paint imperialist nations as helpless children who don't benefit from US aggression.

            • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Different question. They are imperialist, obviously, but when it comes down to it are they puppets of the US? People are saying that their recent actions against Russia are self-defeating and evidence that they will just do with the US wants even when it's not in their best interests even as imperialists. The question is how much control the US has over the EU, if any.

              • Lundi [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                why don't you ask the countless NATO members and European politicians who have been saber rattling a lot more openly than any US politician.

    • DeathToBritain [she/her, they/them]
      ·
      3 years ago

      you can do what leftists are supposed to do when 2 imperial powers fight. not side with either of them, but with the working class of both countries being sent to die for capital

        • RandyLahey [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          this is the question eating me alive right now as well

          cos it seems like nato were offering not even the slightest hint of a path to de-escalation, and short of putin moving his troops from the border and taking a massive L and further emboldening nato (while also probably getting sanctioned and having all sorts of ukraine fuckery anyway), im not sure what his path was to get things down from the incredible cliff that nato had put them on in the last month or so

          like could he have taken the economic hit and turned off the gas tap to europe to try and bring them to the table or something? i dont know enough about this shit to know if thats even realistic

        • comi [he/him]
          ·
          3 years ago

          sanction ukraine, build couple of nukes targeted at ukraine:shrug-outta-hecks:

          • Petromancy [she/her]
            ·
            3 years ago

            Use economic warfare to push Ukraine even further into the Western sphere

            They already did that

      • Petromancy [she/her]
        ·
        3 years ago

        Someone give the memo to DPRK, Venezuela, Cuba, China and every other AES area of the world

        • DeathToBritain [she/her, they/them]
          ·
          3 years ago

          I don't agree with them in principle on it, but unfortunately they're states that have to play the game of geopolitics. me and you are not, nor are most of us in states that need to be doing so

          • Petromancy [she/her]
            ·
            3 years ago

            DPRK knows imperialism better than you do. Isn’t it so weird how your views are aligning with the propaganda of the region you live in, just like all left anti-communists throughout history? Isn’t it weird how you people keep calling everyone on Earth imperialists just to eat shit when they come out the victors and stop imperialism (Syria).

            Be honest. At the start of the Syrian conflict did you call people “Assadists” and talk about he’s just another fascist capitalist and both sides the conflict? Because if you did, you have no authority to recognize what’s going on in your bubble and you need to self crit

    • NaturalsNotInIt [any]
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      3 years ago

      No need to make excuses for Russia. You can condemn the aggression while still understanding why it was a rational move based on the actions of others. The Russian government drew a very clear red line that Ukraine was to not be admitted to NATO. Russia's existing fears were likely stoked by the Banderite government in Kiev given its Russophobia, Islamophobia (remember Russia is like 10% Muslim) and glorification of Nazi collaborators like Stepan Bandera. There's a very real concern if an aggressive nation right on your borders, that promotes ethnic hatred, joins NATO, you're fucked if those Nazis get any ideas.

      The US and other western leaders as well as NATO leadership pretty much stonewalled every attempt at diplomacy Russia made in the weeks before the war to address these concerns. This would not have happened if NATO would have agreed to Ukrainian neutrality. Russia is to blame for their aggression, but looking at the situation in full, their motivations are pretty clear and at least understandable. It's certainly more understandable than the US's motivation for invading Afghanistan - the Taliban was willing to prosecute al-Qaeda/bin Laden without a fight -let alone Iraq, and no one sanctioned the Bush regime or tried to isolate America from the world economy.