You no longer have an excuse to be on :reddit-logo: outside niche hobby subreddits.
what the fuck
Pretty sure GenZhou started so it wouldn't have the same shitpost-y, problematic, vapid content as GenZedong. I doubt it had nearly as much of a Ukraine conflict misinfo problem as GenZedong (which was supposedly the problem :reddit-logo: wanted to resolve).
The misinfo stuff is just to make libs turn off their brain, so reddit can do its thing unopposed.
I am aware that reddit's moderation decisions can't be taken in good faith, I'm thinking out loud about how silly it is to ban a lefty sub with a high level of discourse for being associated with a quarantined shitpost sub that had a misinformation problem. It reveals that misinformation wasn't their problem, they simply didn't want that kind of lefty discourse, and are looking for any rationale to silence it.
Ha! The lib dipshits have proven for the 9999999th time they aren't morally consistent, surely their "power" will automatically self destruct now.
Mr r*ddit mod, ahem, mr pedophile, sir, you are fired
It reveals that misinformation wasn’t their problem, they simply didn’t want that kind of lefty discourse, and are looking for any rationale to silence it.
It's weird that they even keep up the pretense of impartial moderation. I've never understood the preoccupation that people in power have with doing things "Legally". Like you can't just bring the hammer down, you have to have a process and appeals and all sorts of other pageantry first, then you crush any pretense of dissent. It's like the police writing up endless reams of paperwork to document and justify why they beat the shit out of minority kids, when they could just as easily beat the shit out of minority kids and not document it, saving both labor and paper while achieving the same outcome.
Reddit doesn't have to pretend, they can just ban leftists because they want to. But they still go through all this bullshit instead of just purging the site.
Legality is just a way to ensure that enforcers keep enforcing the will of the ruling class and not focus exclusively on their own shit.
Look at their new Director of Policy, it's not about misinformation. Don't know this website but there's other sources too.
Yeah, it was meant as a "teaching" subreddit for people who had questions on GZD. That was why, aside from the FAQ with masterpost-links, there wasn't really any questions allowed on the subreddit, aside from proven posters.
I was subbed there, and I seriously can't remember seeing anything about Ukraine at all. Pretty weird they would ban it before gzd, did not see that coming at all.
It was more educational and typically well sourced so it makes sense that it would scare libs more than GZD. If you think like a lib for a moment, fash memes are way more acceptable than like out and out nazi theory would be.
Definitely surprising though. Maybe they wanted to test the ban reception on a smaller, fringier group first?
Maybe they wanted to test the ban reception on a smaller, fringier group first?
I would posit the following.
Reddit can do whatever the fuck it wants and just ignore anyone who complains. They banned The_Dickwads and nothing happened. They're sure as hell not going to get any blowback from pissing off a bunch of scruffy leftist shitposters.
I think they do the quarantines and shit to covince themselves that they are impartial arbiters protecting the integrity of the forum. It's like a psychological defense. They don't want to admit that they're arbitrarily using their power to crush ideas they disagree with. That's what bad guys do, and they're good guys, so they wouldn't do that. Instead they have a bullshit process that insulates them from taking responsibility from their reactionary actions. As long as they're following a process and providing justifications for their actions at every step then they can crush dissent while still telling themselves that they're a bastion for free speech on the internet.
Me? I'd just fucking slam the ban button on anything I found even mildly annoying then record and post react videos where I laugh at people's feeble, powerless objections, because I understand that power is violence and hurting people who oppose your goals and aims is good.
TLDR; fucking useless libs
Apparently, the reason given was that :reddit-logo: saw it as a ban evasion sub for gzd
It's not lost, /u/SeattleML archived all of the posts up to last week thankfully https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/tvxix0/rgenzhou_just_got_banned/i3byihu/
This community is quarantined
Contains a high volume of information not supported by credible sources.
soulless holocaust technician PMC: "uhh actually the ideology of the working class is fake news"
Turns out the "fact-checking" grift was never anything more than a way to sell censorship to free speech-loving liberals
It turns out that privatizing the forum was as bad an idea as privatizing the commons.
Because our abilities to socialize, to express ourselves, to collaborate, and to construct our identities are all commonly held assets, as abstract as that is. There are so many situations and products whose value increases as more people participate. With the internet, these have potential to create mass swaths of value simply by gathering large amounts of people. Since bandwidth is cheaper than land and development, it lowers the barriers to gathering that large amount of people. So the tech cartel have taken control of the means by which those gatherings can occur and made them artificially scarce.
Was The Forum ever not private? I mean, strictly speaking, Hexbear is "private property", a thing some edgy glibertarian would happily throw in all our faces if they weren't too busy banning one another in their own communities.
Why'd they bad GenZhou? It was far less popular and more level headed then GenZeDong. Did GenZhou even go through a quarantine period? Did someone at Reddit miss the "ban gzd button" and accidentally hit the "ban GenZhou button"?
“Ban avoidance” even though it was a community before GZD was quarantined. Same reason they used to justify banning CTH2 and MoreTankieChapo
If I were Reddit and wanted to get the commies off my site once and for all, I’d see the banning of r/CTH as a failure. We scattered and couldn’t centralize content “democratically”, but most of us didn’t leave. They took away our toys but didn’t send us to our room. They may be banning these sister subs earlier this time to give people the message that they’re supposed to move to lemmygrad.
I think it isn't about getting us off but to slow down our agitation by disorganizing and discrediting. In that sense, keeping communities dispersed makes sense. CTH and GZD have been banned when they started gaining momentum. Normies won't move to lemmygrad because they aren't commies yet, and making extra accounts on other sites is an extra step that'll stop a decent number of people who'd get pipelined by finding some memes relatable.
Honestly, we should be out there on single issue subs like /r/fuckcars or /r/antiwork, as well as queer subs. That's where folks will be receptive and we'll maintain a decent ratio.
I was radicalizing, yeah, but into the local trot party that had the biggest influence. If it weren't for loose anarchists wandering around reddit I'd never have escape the electoral quagmire that is socialist alternative
I love it, they'll come up to you as just some enthusiastic dude ready to talk politics, and then like 15 minutes in they pull out the email list. I got approached as a SAlt member at a SAlt event by a lost recruiter.
The funniest though was some dude on the bus heard me talking to some friends and then pulled open his trenchcoat, which was full of SAlt newspapers, and asked "you kids hear about socialism?" Like, an irl version of the shady Lenin meme. I was losing it.
Forgive me comrade for deviating from the scientific party line. I'll engage in self criticism and rid myself of bourgeois ideology for the good of the party and the revolution. 🙄
most of us didn’t leave.
why not? nothing there of value
it's probably still alive because Reddit mods have mistaken it as a conservative sub
One of the few entertaining bastions left, as conservatives wander into it thinking it IS a conservative sub
And r/GenZommunist, the "Ranch dressing with no peppercorns"-spicy version of GZD
You no longer have an excuse to be on outside niche hobby subreddits.
christ this online shit is tedious
go outside please
I was thinking about 30 minutes ago that the internet itself is kind of an aberration that really only grew into what it is now because the majority of the societies in which it became a dominant form of communication are intensely alienating places. After my horny screed in the megathread I took massive morale damage and realized I need to log off but then I thought: what is there "out there"? The North American social landscape doesn't seem all that great to me. I always found it telling that the majority of the most online people seem to always be from suburban hellholes.
People back then didn't need the internet because outside was the fucking internet. Maybe I'm a cynic but I think of all the time I've spent online and I'm not sure that time has been more valuable than time spent outside. Maybe there is something to be said about it being a "cosmopolitan" place where you can meet all kinds of different people, but when 9999099999% of the people you meet are Langley bots spouting racist canards or pretty much no different from the average nerd you can find at your college's gaming club what the hell is even the point?
Perhaps I am being far too critical.
the whole "This is the bad website, you need an excuse to go on the bad website!!!!!!" shit is terminally online culture-war masturbation
twitter is full of liberals
tumblr is full of liberals
twitch is full of liberals
reddit is full of liberals
discord is full of liberals
the real actual world is full of liberalsThe others you're right about but Tumblr is full of communists and is virtually unmoderated outside of the porn ban
in my experience it's mostly radlibs and yankee vaguelefts, but that's just the "mainstream" of tumblr i guess
There's a solid chunk of real MLs and anarchists, people in apas-95's orbit usually have good takes. I think I've run across like half of Blackshirts and Reds quoted paragraph by paragraph in different posts at this point
With the exception that they're not actively being purged or shut down, sure
Quasi-relevant story; During rural electrification in the first half of the 20th century they started running power lines to fairly isolated farmhouses. Like "Your neighbor is a mile down the road, and his neighbor is a mile further than that" isolated. Places where you couldn't really stop in to chat while you had shit to do. But due to some kind of socialist insanity it was decided that rural electrification was good, so they were running power lines all through these isolated low population density areas. And it turns out that you can run phone lines just as easily as you run power lines, so all these very isolated people were getting phones for the very first time. Back then there weren't really individual phone lines. The phone was always on. You'd pick it up and ask to speak to the telephone operator, and that person would manually route your telephone connection. But that meant that everyone on the circuit could essentially pick up the phone and either talk or listen in to anyone else on the circuit. So all these rural farmers were basically in a big group chat with each other in the evenings when it was too dark to work but they weren't in bed yet. People could actually socialize without devoting big chunks of the day to travelling.
Well, what happened is rural suicides plummeted.
the majority of the societies in which it became a dominant form of communication are intensely alienating places
4chan developed from America's neoliberal colonization in "post-fascist" (?) Japan
I have also felt similarly for a while. I always think back to that George Carlin piece where he calls out how pathetic transforming the continent to strip malls and parking lots is. I go outside practically everyday it's nice out and if it's not the same shitty house copy-pasted thousands of times, then it's a sea of shitty businesses that are somehow still open mixed in with dilapidated buildings separated by enormous swathes of land dedicated solely to cars. The one constant is a disgusting ambience either from lawn equipment or all of the cars, depending on where you are. That and the poison you have to breathe in from walking within ten feet of cars and weed killer.
how pathetic transforming the continent to strip malls and parking lots is.
This :100-com:
I don't meet people outside. I have brief, entirely transactional encounters with people when I buy stuff or work. I never see those people again. I don't interact with people in any meaningful way otherwise. Being online isn't the problem. Society is just as isolated and alienating outside as it is inside. Third spaces and places for community socializing have been ruthlessly exterminated across the continent. If you're not an alcoholic or religious there aren't really options to meet and talk with people in face to face.
I’m an active organizer.
So I opened up your hood and what you have right there is some survivorship bias.
I’m not an alcoholic nor religious and I have no problem meeting people face to face.
well, where do you meet people / under what circumstances?
Nothing? We're powerless atomized consumers swept up by forces far beyond our ability to understand, let alone control. We're about to go in to a series of historic food and energy shortages because a bunch of old men are having a dick measuring contest on another continent. The best anyone can realistically do is live tweet the apocalypse.
Yeah, I feel this. I live in a small city (100k population) where the bus system kinda sucks and I don't drive / will never own a car. "Go outside" to meet people is a ridiculous idea -- there isn't a single place in this horrible town where other young people actually hang out anymore. To be honest I don't even know wtf people do to meet each other besides join hiking Meet Up groups... very lonely, shitty town if you are young and especially if you don't drive.
That's the problem though they do make you they say you're free to wear pants but that's not really freedom.
Maoist guerilla warfare against the pants-wearers :mao-aggro-shining:
Telling me to touch grass is ableist against people with debilitating pollen allergies who live in areas with poor air quality! Also, I declare a fatwa on non-native grasses! Your fescue and bermudagrass will burn in the cleansing fire of, you know, the thing.
It was mostly due to tens of millions dead, economic devastation, and a population begging for peace and an end to the war.
Problem is that any reddit alternative usually ends up populated with those types.
Discord and Mastodon have been leftist hubs for a while. Tumblr had its fair share of leftists for a long time. They don't get as much attention as 4chan and thedonald.win because they aren't as notoriously shit.
Also, it wasn't really until Bernie got big that Reddit made a point of going after leftist spaces explicitly. So Reddit hosted a very lively leftist community for a lot longer than Bush-Era cynics would have guessed. Left, Right, and Center are all in a period of reorganizing as the older and more dominant social media forms reshuffle themselves.
Its actually kinda funny that don't hear about leftists trying to do anything on Facebook or Twitter or Instagram or Pintrest or Gab. Like, it isn't as if The Zuck did some kind of leftist purge (at least, none that I heard about). These places just suck so much that Leftists don't even bother with them.
BrapBarn
this is the dumbest subreddit i've seen in my entire life. why did i look that up. redditors arent even able to make fun of fetishes without being bigoted. i bet you all of the people who posted on this sub raged when they saw porn they didn't like, but still got pissed at people for asking for safe spaces on social media
its both. the point of the sub was apparently making fun of various fetishes while simultaneously dehumanizing fat people
As if it's not fucking obvious that redditors only care about censorship if capitalists are the ones being censored
They're probably doing some kind of user analysis before banning the sub, so they can mop up any liferaft subs or multi-accounts associated with the power users. Shut down a smaller sub and see where people bolt to, then analyze and repeat.
