I'd assume Great Lakes states like Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, etc. will be the leasr fucked. Hell I figure they may be some of the some of the least fucked places on the whole planet, alsongside their Canadian counterparts on the lakes' north shores.
Most fucked are the Four Corners states maybe? Or Florida? Lousiana?
What do you all think?
there was a good report showing that the great lakes and new england will be the most habitable areas
https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/
Great lakes will be fine until we summon the ghost of William Mullholland to construct a pipeline from Lake Superior to Los Angeles to take back our water.
then it will finally make sense to have a team called the Lakers
Oh boy, can't wait for those 100F/100% humidity days. I guess if you live on the lake shore or coast it would be habitable but if you're even a quarter mile inland the heat will be unbearable.
Come on down to Cleveland town everyone, come and look at both of our buildings!
I've been wanting to move back up there. The catskills are probably the most peaceful places I've ever experienced.
Might as well try to buy a cool house before they're unaffordable there too.
Even the Great Lakes region is going to see some upheaval considering how the infrastructure is unprepared for the erratic water levels that are becoming more and more normal over the past decade. NYT did a whole piece on this in regards to Lake Michigan and how its erratic water levels are putting massive pressure on Chicago's water infrastructure.b
I'm imagining Arizona might become completely uninhabitable. It's barely tolerable now, and I recall hearing that the city of Phoenix basically drinks the entire Columbia River already.
Phoenix should not exist. It is a monument to man's arrogance .
Edit: accidentally submitted before finishing: I think about this a lot, have some real close friends from the Nation, and I want them to get out of the area, AZ is gonna be frost free state before 2050(latest climate report), and that whole region, so spread out, no water to begin with, I dont know what all these folks are gonna do! But, they are deeply connected to the region and community- and I'm a white dude, so I can just move somewhere else...I dunno, its messed up, I worry about our brothers, sisters and others on the nation tho!
Washington and New England would be semi-okay, iirc.
Plus you get to be surrounded by Cascadia if you go with the former. Just one problem: anywhere east of Seattle is nazi central.
Just one problem: anywhere east of Seattle is nazi central.
And west. And south, except for Olympia and Portland. And probably north too, I don't know what's up there but I assume nazis
Nazis and The Big One scare me too much to move to the PNW but it seems like a really cool place otherwise
Same. Hell, nazis are most of the reason I want to leave the US altogether. I know that their victory here is inevitable and I hope to gtfo while I still can.
What do you mean "inevitable"? Nazis kill and desecrate everything they touch, but they've failed every time. They literally only continue to exist because their capitalist lapdogs keep bailing them out. They have exactly zero victories of their own.
Nazis have already won the culture war. Just check Twitter and you'll find that nazis dominate everything. Furthermore, they are organized in such a fashion that even puts official national armies to shame, they're the ones with all the guns, and all they have been physically training for this for years.
The left has almost always been irrelevant despite being public enemy number one.
What will you do, then? Join them out of despair? Lay on your back so they step on you slightly faster? Drown your sorrows in hedonism?
I don’t think you want to do any of that, otherwise you wouldn’t be on this forum, discussing why the current paradigm is wrong. You and I both know that we HAVE to resist authoritarianism wherever it shows its shiny red ass, because if we decide we already lost we have zero chance to begin with.
If you're thinking about a place to move to, PM me.
A bunch of local comrades were having a discussion just yesterday that touched on many reasons why our location would be one of the most adaptable.
Everyone who has tried to make progress under a reactionary state has secretly been a fed.
Li Dazhao was fedposting for the KMT in the 1920s
This. I'm honestly tired of this dumb sentiment that anyone talking about maybe organizing offline with comrades they met online are automatically feds. Any offline organizing runs that risk. The feds already know who you are (or can know immediately if they want to) the danger of doxxing yourself on here is that ordinary non-fed fascists might see and then harass you in real life. But just PMing a comrade you have seen around here for a while makes that a very small risk.
Also, it's not like we're meeting to take up arms against the government. We're organizing under our American-branded freedom to look out for each other, to care for each other, to cultivate our environment to be resilient and supportive, to build mutual aid networks, and to directly provide for our own needs without money. We're homesteaders, just
communalcollectivecooperativeaggregated homesteaders.All of this makes us less dependent on the government and less intertwined with the imperial economy, but it's not an open and direct challenge to the state, and I can't see it ever becoming such a challenge under normal, predictable conditions. No further comment.
Thanks, but not looking to move just now. Just taking stock of where it may be good to get to in the medium-term future.
Everything will be equally fucked but SouthWestern states and Tejas will be extra fucked. If you think Midwest will be unfucked and least fucked, no it'll be just as fucked as everywhere as except those smaller pockets of extra fucked like SouthWestern united States and South Asia.
It will be fucked everywhere because southerners will flee disasters and never go back, and as the crops fail in the north the IDP camps will revolt.
Yes Great Lakes and especially Buffalo/Ithaca area of NY are promising. Other pockets might include Vermont and West Virginia. Buy cheap land on the MI upper peninsula or around Thunder Bay now if you can.
Keep in mind too that 50 foot ocean rise is a really bad scenario for our children’s lifetime, but that still leaves much of the upper half of Manhattan island above water in high tide. There will be places near the old coast that won’t be too harsh outside of marsh and lowland areas.
seems like some of the east coast close to the mountains will mostly just become wetter so if you lived far from any streams or low spots you should be far enough inland to be protected from increased frequency of hurricanes. most of this area, from north carolina up to upstate NY will eventually get pretty warm though, similar to the higher elevations of the deep south. but there will be plenty of rain which means plenty of water and less risk of the wildfires which will consume large portions of the U.S. eventually
Most of New York won't be as fucked up. Upstate will have to deal with a lot more flooding.
I think everywhere will be fucked once supply chains break down
Real sincere post hours: my climate rant- anything below the 40th parallel will be feeling "the worst effects of climate change"- aka: no matter what you dont wanna be there in 20 years if you can be anywhere else, and obviously moving sooner than later is better so you can build community and use all of our wonderful an-com organizing strategies. I think the best place geographically is the great lakes region- like duluth may be the single best urban area in the US for the physical effects of climate change. However, I am planning on making my last stand somewhere in the PNW
Here is my case for the PNW: climate seems to have 2nd best outlook other than great lakes(they have been getting summer heat waves- well you're gonna get that everywhere and worse most places: plan on building a basement/some place to hang out underground- will keep you cool/survivable regardless of ground level temps esp. when the electric ends up going out at least periodically- but if you have kids, expect to be telling them or their kids or whatever the stories about 24hr electricity!) so, rain looks largely stable, cant grow or raise anything to eat without somewhat stable rain; is above 40th parallel; is close to canada so if things go even more sideways you are atleast close to becoming a refugee and you'll have a home base to get sent back to where you can easily try again! The natural resources in this area are simply unbelievable, and a tremendous variety of biodiversity and ecological variety- bodes well for long term potential; Biggest thing I have is the region, im guessing largely due to having a long standing economy based on resource extraction(timber, fishing, etc) has left it with a political culture where folks on both 'sides of the isle' are willing to introduce legislation that protects natural resources(no where else I am familiar with has this cultural capacity!) and, it is simply the only region I have ever been too that has actual leftist culture AND, I get it- nazis live there too, yes they sure do! Whatever, they live everywhere else also in this shit hole country but no one fucking fights them in the streets in most places- so, I'll be alright dying on a hill there
Recap for PNW: water stable-ish(can grow food and raise animals with what falls from the sky for free); 2nd best climate outlook per region; is north of 40th parallel; amazing biodiversity; could feasibly flee the US; political culture of accepting common sense environmental reforms(this is huge!); and my favorite- leftists to fight alongside. Something to think about, comrades- My dream on getting 5-10 acres within ~60min of major urban area, and growing/raising food to feed the homeless, actually owning a home, and maybe even meet some super cool comrades...Thats a OR, WA dream. If you never visited before, worth checking out and seeing for yourself!
Thanks for contributing this on the ground perspective, comrade! I feel very arm chair general vibes having put this one out there(currently living in small mtn. town in s.w.) On fires- My thoughts are everything rocky mtn and west of, is its gonna burn. Good buddy was hot shot, now knees blown out has a fire related desk job now, he thinks the Rockies and Sierras will be fully bald in our lifetimes- drought, invasive Beatle infestation, fires-make a holy trifecta of no trees left standing. That said, and here's my huge weakness, I just aint gonna move to fucking Michigan or Ohio and realistically, I'll never have enough money to move to or be lucky enough to marry a new zealander, so N. America is it for me, and no way they'll even let me into Canada. So, I'll take my best option and be your neighbor, we'll have some great grill outs before it all falls apart!
Serious question, for you as a local- I see the hugest future divide being a east/ west one in OR and WA- east(bend/spokane(even kennewich area, cant be sure those rivers will keep up) poor water future vs. west(port-eugene/anywhere between Puget sound and Cascades regions?) pretty solid, have any thoughts on that?
San Diego is far enough from most fires/earthquakes, idk how temperatures or sea rise would be effected there though.
Apparently Minnesota is one of the most effected states from climate change so far in terms of temperature and lake erosion, but that might just mean it becomes border-swamp land like Indiana or smth
