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  • HntrKllr [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I JUST WANT HEALTHCARE PLZ!!

    spoiler

    Also abolish the capitalist society but that can wait. I will literally start simping for this man in his election campaign if he just SHUT THE FUCK UP and pushed for M4A

    Of course I hate everything about this country but god damn just give me small steps into the positive direction not constantly fucking imperialism be it on foreign people or on our own countrymen jesus

    • Bedandsofa [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      This is exactly why reforms for reform's sake cannot be the goal. You didn't get healthcare by voting Bernie, because the ruling class used its control over the Democratic Party to deny you healthcare. That was an act of class warfare. The ruling class everywhere is pushing austerity, pushing the opposite direction of reform, and you're not going to buck this trend just by requesting reforms through the electoral channels of the capitalist state.

      You won't get these reforms in the future, unless we force concessions through class struggle, which will require us to use working class methods of struggle (i.e. acting in our capacity as workers whose labor literally allows society to run), with the goal of winning the fucking class war.

      Winning reforms and winning the class war cannot be separate aims, or we will fail at both. If you're a boxer, going into a fight against a strong opponent, and your only goal is to land a left hook in the opening round, you're going to lose the fight. You may not even be able to land the left hook without setting it up with other punches. That left hook has to be part of a broader strategy, and the aim of that strategy must be to win the fight. Your strategy will dictate why, and therefore how, you throw individual punches.

      Ultimately, winning the class war is the basis of how we can build a better society for working people, it is the promise we can hold out to working people to rally them behind our program. Capitalism, as a global system, has long since reached the limit of its progressive potential--no progress is going to be had through sustained reform of the capitalist system, because the system can no longer support sustained reform.

  • Reversi [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    It's a branching path I wonder about.

    Biden wins: liberals pacified. Nothing changes. Fox News calls Biden a Marxist 24/7. Rightist militias kill more people. Four years later, Republicans have a carefully crafted Trump 2.0 ready to go, and shit gets worse.

    Trump wins: incoherence for another four years as corporations and defense contractors try to maximize their profiteering before time is up. Rightist militias emboldened and kill more people. Left remains agitated but impotent. More unrest. DNC tries to run Cheaty Pete or Kamala in 2024, and lose.

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      DNC tries to run Cheaty Pete or Kamala in 2024, and lose.

      Yes and it should be mentioned that in this scenario, they run to the right of Mitt Romney

        • kilternkafuffle [any]
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          4 years ago

          Romney runs on a platform of Originalism, returning to the ways of the Founding Fathers, revoking the voting rights of the 47% that don't pay enough in taxes.

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        The only silver lining with Trump is he’s a moron that can’t do war

        Don't buy this. He chickened out with Iran, sure, but we tried to overthrow Venezuela's government just a few months later. He was just looking for a softer target.

          • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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            4 years ago

            I don't think we will see any functional difference. Neither Trump nor Biden have the mental capacity to deal with the intricacies of this sort of thing first-hand, and while the attempted coup in Venezuela was a farce, the coup in Bolivia was extremely effective. The only thing that will make a difference is the second/third/fourth level political appointees and staffers that get dragged in with the administration, and both parties have a deep well of genuine monsters to draw from.

            Chalking up the success or failure of foreign intervention to a single person is a mistake. US foreign policy is a vast machine with thousands of pieces working autonomously. These things don't live or die by the initiative of the President. Economic imperatives drive imperialism in spite of what any individual has to say about it. The CIA, industrialists, and financiers don't take no for an answer. They will go full Iran-Contra before they let a senile old man impact their revenue streams.

            The President is just a figurehead for the machine. They have no more influence than Zaphod Beeblebrox.

      • Reversi [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        There's doing war 'normally,' then there's doing war. I'd expect Trump to be encouraged to bomb something by any number of people.

      • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        The great thing about war, is you can use it to justify repressions against your own population...

      • Reversi [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        Does anyone on the right even like him? Feels like they just put up with him.

        • FLAMING_AUBURN_LOCKS [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          i think it was matt and brace who were talking about it on an RNC night livestream, but they brought up how uninspiring and unimposing Tom Cotton is and i have to agree. he talks pretty openly about putting down uppity blacks with brute force and people on the far right want to hear that but he’s a pencil necked dweeb and has none of the charisma of trump, even if he’d be better at doing a fascism than trump is

          he’s a theory nerd and he will never seen violent or angry or threatening enough to be elected president by the same demographics that sprung trump into power

        • MarxistHedonism [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          Dan Crenshaw seems like their answer to Pete Buttigieg, but did anyone even ask the question?

          Wouldn’t be surprised if the party tries to push him, but the voters reject him and go for like Sean Hannity or something instead.

  • poppy_apocalypse [he/him, any]
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    4 years ago

    I can't believe I actually thought liberals might side with us after seeing Trump supporters riding through Portland. I'll never make that mistake again.

    • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Regular liberals are, their representatives, not so much. Don't confuse politicians for the people we'll have to organize with.

      • ChapoBapo [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Some of my lib friends are starting to break, and say things like they wish the protesters would just lay off until January (when we will obviously be able to fix all the bad things.)

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkY88kvkdvU

        • Nagarjuna [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          🤮

          Guess I know chill liberals then. The libs I know are talking about guns

  • ChapoBapo [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Why are libs screaming at me to vote for someone who literally doesn't want my vote?