The proposed bargain has always been “no, we won’t really fight corporations, but we’ll defend social progress!”
Well, they’re in charge, the rich are richer than ever, & now people are being charged with murder for miscarrying & it’s illegal to admit gay people are real.
liberals are the most insufferably ignorant people on the planet holy shit
"Look, we didn't want to sell out trans people. But there's a higher principle here--the rule of law--and the Supreme Court ruled that the Trans Concentration Camp Act of 2027 is legally permissible."
Trans Concentration Camp Act of 2027 is legally permissible
it has precedent after all :blob-no-thoughts:
It's just another hard pragmatic decision ™ liberals don't want to have to do, but they have to in order to... You know... The thing! Maybe it was the Senate parliament funkadelian! Yeah! Let's go with that
To say that Biden is worse than Trump is to ignore the fact that Trump would be doing all the same shit but would also sign off on these monstrous bills should they have ever reached his desk and would spend plenty of public airwave time advocating for it once he realized how amped up cis people are to be given a new trans punching bag. The status quo will continue to kill us, but these monsters will continue to aim for destroying the status quo to enact their genocidal agenda.
The difference is when Trump did stuff there were at least people opposing it. He was so outwardly vile that he mobilized people against him. Biden has lulled any left wing opposition to sleep, so state governments have been able to to right ahead with these genocidal laws and then soon enough they’ll take back the fed and do them there too.
Biden has lulled any left wing opposition to sleep
This is the most important takeaway, imo. The important thing everyone should realize is that this has always happened when the Dems are empowered, post-Reagan, and comes with additional denunciation of actual and nominal lefties.
Clinton was the first of the corporate-friendly Dem presidents after the Dems had been shredded for more than a decade. Clinton passed some heinous, right-wing shit during his presidency like gutting welfare, the crime bill, and NAFTA. NAFTA was proposed during HW Bush's presidency, but got nowhere because the Dems were in opposition to it. Cue Clinton pushing the same deal and all of a sudden, the opposition is scattered. Looking back at the actual vote on NAFTA is pretty telling as well. The Dems still opposed it. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38 with the Dems voting 27 For and 28 Against. The House is even more telling as it passed 234-200 with the Dems voting against it 102 For and 156 Against. Literally passed with mostly Rep support and a minority of Dems in both houses. Crazier than I remember.
Obama had a similar trajectory by pushing a model of healthcare reform outlined by conservative think tanks in response to Clinton pushing for a better program. Perhaps most heinously, he tried his best to cut Social Security and Medicare and was only stopped because the Reps were so unhinged. He also deported a shit ton of people.
Biden continuing down the same path is nothing new, just more of the same. I remember all of the endless VOTE talk from my lib friends online and IRL. They seemed to give a shit about climate, police, immigration, etc. I'm still as engaged as I've always been, but aside from the issue du jour, there's no talk of any of that stuff anymore.
Heh didn't know dems were opposed to NAFTA and only half signed on when Clinton joined office.
Yeah, even the Dem House Majority Leader at the time, Dick Gephardt was against it citing that NAFTA would exacerbate job loss and declining incomes of US workers and would cause excess environmental impacts. He didn't vote for it. And yeah, the foundations of NAFTA went all the way back to Reagan. HW Bush actually signed the NAFTA agreement his last year in office and then the Dem controlled Congress and Clinton ratified it in Clinton's first year.
Since Congress is an absolute gerontocracy, every Dem in leadership today voted on NAFTA when it passed ~30 years ago. Biden and Pelosi voted for it. Schumer voted against it.
The left dies a little more every time a democrat is elected. Does anytime remember how much energy and potential there was in the Bush years which immediately disappeared when Obama arrived?
I do. By the end of his admin i felt like such a fuckin fool for voting for that prick
That was the last time i voted, because in each of Bernie's primaries i lived in a state that came after the writing was on the wall
Never again, electoralism is a fuck
You don't need to be a democratic socialist or ML or anarchist if all you want is the lesser evil of two capitalist leaders. There will always be a scary politician on one side to convince you to vote for the other. That's never going to change
Now the left looks very dead after allying themselves with Biden
Yanis Varoufakis said this would happen and Hexbear called him too doomer. He was 110% correct. The left was stronger under Trump than it is currently and not only that but it had real momentum too.
The left currently for one reason or another needs an enemy to fight, that is when it is at its strongest, and when there is no enemy to fight it completely loses all electricity. The population must be electrified with something to oppose.
The danger is however that if that "enemy" to oppose is a competent fascist then even one term would be incredibly dangerous and set them up to destroy socialists. Trump was somewhat benign but someone legitimately dangerous would need to be opposed.
I think a very big danger with Trump being viewed somewhat incorrectly(relative to the true believers) as a fascist by liberals is that his defeat reinforces to them that the system works and they can beat fascists via the system.
The left was definitely not stronger, the appearance of the strong left was just disaffected liberals who felt guilty about Trump's rhetoric, now that Biden was in charge we can now go back to Brunch. The people we lost were never in the 'left'
Remember Lenin's words "Better Fewer, But Better".
I'm well aware that's because liberals were pushed into political activity. I'm saying that was better than... This.
I think it's not just the liberals though. I think the actual left is doing less as well. Having liberals telling them to stay calm and be patient all the time actively suppresses the real left. Some are trying of course, but there is less effort and less urgency occurring.
An enemy really has the power to electrify people, the left included.
Is was this exactly that formed the basis for the transition from outright domination to hegemony. If there is no specific rally point then there’s a room full of gas without any ignition
Anyone feels like one year of Biden is worse than four years of Trump?
Yes, but not immediately. Biden and the dems doing absolutely nothing while peoples material conditions worsen is going to murder them in 2024 where, if Trump doesn't run or ride in on his personality cult, a more competent fascist will take the presidency.
Trump winning in 2024 is straight up the "good" timeline.
Like obviously it still wouldn't be good but yeah
Yeah, that's the most fucked thing about it, another 4 years of incompetent fascism would delay the worst of it by a little. :doomer:
Anyone feels like one year of Biden is worse than four years of Trump? And that’s a very low bar considering how bad Trump was.
2017 and 2021 were very different times. Trump mostly rode a wave of lowering gas prices through deregulation, Biden started his term during a pandemic and also after four years of Trump. I think if Biden (or hillary or w/e) won in 2016 and then trump won in 2020, material conditions would be mostly the same.
Bernie called Joe his good friend the whole time. And the whole time we thought he was just hiding his power level but he was thoroughly cucked
I beg to differ, but I think talks about single payer healthcare, minimum wage and green new deal would have been immediately dead in the water.
Really impossible to know. But Democrats and Republicans govern the same way more or less and we would have had the same material conditions when COVID struck.
Jack is also surprised when the sun rises in the morning
"ooh, it happened again!"
Honestly what is he crying about? Is he not happy the democrats got a supreme court seat locked in for the next 20 years. It might still be 6-3 and they might have stumbled with RGB but this is real progress. Just keep voting blue and in a few centuries we might get universal healthcare.
They also fail to mention that Biden released his tax returns, restoring norms, trust, and transparency to the White House!
Yeah thats progress as well. How can't you see it. Trump didn't release his tax returns and Biden did. What is that if not progress? :vote:
If you don’t feel like you’re about to have stroke leaving the voting booth, then you didn’t vote hard enough.
The best part about these types of tweets are the replies from people that are "gobsmacked" by the lack of civic and legislative understanding that the likes of OP have. Yeah man, it's really great that we have a system that is nothing but just political gridlock every which you turn, and we should totally try and understand that, as if it makes any real difference. Everyone involved in this convo sucks. Democracy is just a word
Uhm clearly you don't understand politics sweaty. That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works. We are a country of laws and those laws have checks and balances. And that's why we are throwing all non cis white people in camps.
-every liberal any time you try to talk about how something positive could get done.
I know for a fact that there will be a struggle session on this site when AOC runs for Senate or president and people will lie to themselves about how this time it's different. Remember that the Democrat party is the graveyard of movements. Even if a President AOC - Tlaib ticket were to win a super majority they would not be able to deliver socialism or even put us on the road to socialism because they're fundamentally capitalist politicians in the capitalist political system.
Any president attempting to implement any meaningful leftist reform would just get domed
They did Kennedy for a lot less
Feels like if, by some outlandish turn of chance AoC actually got elected, the chuds would just go full blown murderous berserk on a huge scale. Gives me chills to imagine some of the shit they would attempt to pull
I'm very shocked that Biden would just go around selling people false deeds to bridges.
a solid 60% of terrible liberal takes have blellow pfp's/emojis, who knew. Shit sucks, i'm so tired of having to listen to BS about "you just don't understand politics!" I did like one person pointing out how Biden's whole shtick was that he knew how to get things done because he knows Republican AND Dem senators, but now his failures are because he just can't convince the 2 senators... from his own party
Man, all those bllellow Twitter handles flock to these posts to smug-post against people who have real, valuable concerns about the political system in the US. Zero empathy. They're just there to try to dunk on people with some of the dumbest dunk attempts possible.
Steeling yourself and readying for the gut punch are core democratic principles. There's nothing more liberal than taking hits without fighting back then pontificating about how it's actually cool and good they lost
I wonder what sun tsu would say about Christmas shopping where people punch and kick each other to get that tickle me elmo
There are only two possible choices, citizen. Do not think outside the box.
The GOP would be worse. This does not make the Dems good. By any meaningful standard both are bad. the only way for things to actually change within the US system for the better is if the left stops voting for the lesser evil and actually withholds their support for that evil.
Will that be enough? History says no. But a revolution is it#s own beast that would not come from either party anyway.
Both parties suck, stop supporting both and build parallel power.
But what about the minor concessions? There are undeniably differences between the parties.
Here in the UK for example, again the two parties have a lot in common at the moment, yet I'd rather have Kier Starmer's Labour over any Tory party. Even if the only difference after all those years is that benefits get cut by £10 instead of by £20, that can be life changing for a lot of people.
I feel like it's a lot easier to argue for socialised healthcare when the option is at least NEAR the table rather than being in the bin under republicans.
I am of course not a believer in the democrats or the two party system, but I would rather have them than republicans.
I don't care for the table scraps of the people in power and neither should you. They toss them to you so you shut up and not because they care.
No offense but I think that's quite a priveleged take to have. Those scraps can be the difference in going hungry or not. I don't care why they're throwing them - if it helps it helps.
If you really think either party will keep the needy from growing hungry or has an interest in housing the homeless, where exactly have you been living for the last 100 years? It sure ain't the US.
No, I don't think they will. I don't think voting for some centrist party is going to drastically change things, but there is a difference. Even if both sides let the people go hungry, I'd still rather be slightly less hungry at the end of the day. I never said voting was the be all and end all.
Would you rather have someone shit in your hair or shit in your mouth?
