I mean, basically the whole family is going to jail the moment their dad is out of office. We know it, and they know it. Trump himself has been sowing seeds to declare a loss illegitimate, and for years now he's occasionally joked that it'd be super cool for America to have a president for life like all the dictators he looks up to. So does anybody really think that in the event of a Biden win, Trump's gonna just give up the office without a fight and wait for the noose to tighten around his, and his children's, necks? There's gonna be a huge electoral fracas at the very least. There could be a lot of fash violence too. I don't really think it'll spark Civil War 2 by itself but it could certainly help. It seems to me like a lot of folks here talking about a Biden presidency are ignoring the minor hurdle of getting Trump to cede power in the first place.
basically the whole family is going to jail the moment their dad is out of office. We know it, and they know it.
Lol no.
Presidents are completely above the law, we've seen this demonstrated again and again. Regan, Obama, Bush, they've all done shit that is much much worse, the democrats talk big during election season but never follow through. Listen to the dollop for more history about what monsters all the presidents have been (I just listened to the Reagan 2 parter based on a recommendation from the chat, and his 1 term makes Trumps seem tame).
Democrats exist to normalise the rightward turn in american society, we've seen this demonstrated again and again (Clinton pushing though nafta which was a republican wet dream for years, Obama normalising forever war, tax cuts etc etc). For a recent example of this, look at the water crisis in Flint, republican governor is a ghoul actively poisoning the black community in flint taking money under the table and paying off people to keep it under wraps. First thing democrats do is drop the charges and refuse to prosecute him and his corrupt administration (technically the window expired).
Presidents are completely above the law, we’ve seen this demonstrated again and again.
Yep. There's a reason that Ford pardoned Nixon, and Obama completely kiboshed any idea of consequences for anyone in the Bush administration for what their absolutely 100% objectively criminal acts: it would have established a precedent that a president can even be made to face consequences. This will never happen.
Trump and his ilk will not face any prosecution, definitely not federally, and most likely not anywhere else. Their class position above all else prevents it.
Much better put than I did, this was the point I was trying to make, democrats AND republicans have both worked for multiple decades to maintain the rule that presidents are above the law.
"It is time to look forward, not back." –Biden, November 4, 2020 (in the unlikely event he manages to eke out a win).
Other presidents have done much worse but that was all in service of and to the benefit of the empire and those atop it. Trump's corruption relates more to personal gain and the Dems sure enough (note: this is not to their credit) did do impeachment over the Ukraine shit, something they never attempted with Bush Jr.
Not that I have hope, but I think that difference is worth noting.
You're right about all the Dem corruption but Trump has pissed off way too many powerful people to get off scott-free. Even if Biden broke his promise and pardoned Trump, he and his whole family are involved in financial crimes in New York state that the NYAG has been chomping at the bit to prosecute.
"doubt"
I've lived to long to believe these fairy tales of justice existing or having any consequences for powerfull people under capitalism.
Consequences happen all the time for powerful people who piss off other powerful people. Look at Martin Shkreli. I'm not talking about justice being done at all.
Not sure I agree on that one, Martin Shkreli wasn't imprisoned because the broke the law and hurt poor people, he was jailed because he defrauded rich investors (the billionaire class) promising returns he could never deliver. He was not a powerfull person, he was a small time grifter that got destroyed when he tried to play in the big league.
Trump spent most of his life grifting rich people in NYC until they stopped investing in his businesses or giving him loans. Then he went from two-bit con artist nobody cared about to US president and his dirty laundry was suddenly very interesting to a lot of rich folk. If poor people benefit it's not because that was the intention.
I will eat my fucking sock if Biden wins. it's gonna be 2016 all over again. for a little while there when the covid panic was peaking I thought maybe he had a chance but now I'm back to fully expecting a sock-free dinner come election day.
I'll eat my other sock if any of the trumps go to jail
No way Trump is leaving even if Biden wins. Trump will claim mail fraud, and the chairman of the joint chiefs just said that the military will stay out of the election, meaning that if libs want Trump out, they will literally have to storm the white house (while hoping for support from lower echelons of the military).
Even if Trump refuses to leave the White House physically, he will no longer be president. The launch codes reset, the military chain of command reports to the new president and so does the secret service. Trump will bitch and moan a lot, and many of his followers will believe him, but his only chance of remaining in power would be for the military to actively decide not to follow the constitution.
If the military actually does stay out of it, Trump will pretty easily just be able to sit in the white house indefinitely behind a wall of extremely well-armed chuds.
Hot take: Trump wants to lose this election more than he wanted to lose the first one. He'll gladly step down in protest and start his own news outlet bashing Biden 24/7.
No one is going to go to jail
I think we are the closest to a president not leaving office that we have ever been, and i feel like that is saying a lot considering we've had a civil war
He'll claim victory on election night because all the chuds voted in person and the supreme court will do some weird shit and the democrats will, like, do a minute of silence to protest "an attack on democracy" and he'll be president until he dies
Prepare to watch msdnc hosts harp on about when they miss the trump days "when the office of the president still had honor" like they do with Nixon, reagan, big bush, and baby bush.
Nah. Whatever else he is, however much he has rocked the boat he is still one of them. Anyone with the power to go after him moves in broadly the same circles and as a rule they don't sting their own cos it sets a dangerous precident.
He would have to do something a) very public and b) very illegal and I don't think anything so far has crossed that line.
Everyone worried about this with Dubya back in the day, and he left without any issue, so don't worry.
I mean, Trump stepping down from the presidency wouldn't change much at this point. He's still a billionaire, he basically controls an entire political party, he has as much influence and power as any one man can really get. Trump politics and Donald himself will influence America for the next hundred + years.
Personally I want to see Biden standing outside of the gates at 4:30PM telling Trump to let him in because he needs his nap for days straight.
I really doubt the family is going to jail, but I think it's a fair question as to whether Trump willingly vacates. My suspicion is that he will. That way, he'll get to go back into his favorite pastime - making money - and get to sit on Twitter all day without having to worry about boring official duties. Plus, I don't think Republicans really have all that much to gain from him staying in office. Biden is basically a Republican already. Why put the STONKS at risk by having Trump inject even more chaos into the situation? The STONKS like stability, and nothing will fundamentally change if Biden wins.
However, regardless of whether Trump decides to vacate, I think he'll still rile up his followers and there will be serious fash street violence. He'll tweet some dumb shit about voter fraud knowing he has no skin in the game and all the Proud Boys and Qheads of the world will treat him like a martyr. Will it be enough for us to go full-on Cool Zone? Not sure. But it'll definitely be a shitshow.
Here's the thing that keep me off being fully on board this train - in order for him to do that he'd really need the backing of the military. And I'm not sure they're actually willing to do that just to prevent fucking Joe Biden - he'll give them anything they want already, and it's not like the top brass seems overly fond of Trump to begin with.
