LETS FUCKING GOOOOO
in connumust korth norea there is only 1 candidate on the ballot
American "democracy":
A proper alternative candidate on the Democratic ticket in the primary? No!
Ability to effectively vote "fuck yourself with a rusty fork, Joe"? Yes
This literally spells out in clear black and white "you will lose in November."
Over/under on this old sack of gray matter leaking shit being forced out or dems just throwing coal in the engines while SS Biden (dual meaning there) chugs along directly into the iceberg?
Dems don't have alternatives other than The Rock or Michelle Obama
See https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/general-election
Why would anyone waste money to run Trump vs. Harris and Trump vs. Newsom general election polls otherwise. Trump handily beats both clowns. If Kamala or Newsom is polling well Biden would've been forced out by the donors already
Harris and Newsom aren’t the only possible alternatives. Has anyone done a Trump vs Bernie poll? Trump vs AOC? There are plenty of Democratic politicians that they could swap in and win on the virtue of not being Biden or Trump or wet rags like Harris. Not that they’d be much better on the genocide… but the fact that they are not actively committing it at this moment would still help their chances greatly.
Trump vs Tlaib would be a fun matchup, and probably the only way I’d ever vote democrat. But I’m guessing that wouldn’t go well though because America is deeply racist.
They're the only possible alternatives because the DNC is entirely unwilling to allow anyone to even entertain the idea of anyone else.
Harris and Newsom aren’t the only possible alternatives. Has anyone done a Trump vs Bernie poll? Trump vs AOC? There are plenty of Democratic politicians that they could swap in and win on the virtue of not being Biden or Trump or wet rags like Harris.
So, what you're saying is, Bernie still has a chance...
Does Joe Biden like genocide enough to forgo the votes of 16% of Michigan Democrats? The answer may not surprise you
We're up +0.4% since 10 minutes ago
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More than 16k people, maybe up to 100k people by the end of the night would have take time out of their busy lives, on a work day in the middle of the week to vote for Uncommitted just to spite Biden and say fuck you to his genocidal policy
The choice is clear tonight.
Committed genocide vs uncommitted
Today is the most joever day in American history, to only be exceeded by every subsequent day
I like how we have reached the stage where the base of both parties is at “burn it down”.
85% reporting and it's over 101k votes for [UNCOMITTED]
Media is forced to acknowledge and report on it. For a last minute strategey to whip this up is pretty impressive. Over 10x their goal with fairly consistent numbers reguardless of demographics and despite the establishment's attempt to muffle it.
Hope this campaign will spark further primary protest votes in the coming states.
we are reaching the levels of joever previously thought impossible
Is this a good showing so far? I forgot the goal they talked about on the news.
They'll get way more than that. They haven't even finished counting up the counties with the largest Arab-American populations yet.
Only 4% votes counted in Wayne County (Detroit and Dearborn) - also the county with most people in Michigan. So far our guy Uncommitted is at 24% in Wayne County
Could be the precincts returning are more uncommitted right now or Biden could be in that much trouble. I'm hoping for the latter.
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Our guy *Uncommitted is beating Joever Biden 75% to 24% in Dearborn
Amazing. This is going to be the farce to 1968's tragedy isn't it. I mean they're having the convention in Chicago again for Christ's sake.
Yeah, the organizers were either hoping for >11k (because Trump won Michigan by 11k votes) or >15%
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/palestinian-advocates-michigan-voters-pick-uncommitted-biden/story?id=107547068
The group, largely relying on grassroots efforts like phone banking and small rallies, has mainly utilized word of mouth to spread their message about uncommitted votes, picking up some notable endorsements along the way.
They hope at least 10,000 people will vote uncommitted on Tuesday, a nod to Trump's 10,700-vote victory margin in 2016 -- though still less than what the uncommitted option has gotten in the last three Democratic primaries.
More optimistically, some supporters would like to see them hit 15% of the total primary vote. At least some delegates at the Democratic National Convention this summer wouldn't be pledged to Biden if the uncommitted option hits that threshold -- which would give Listen to Michigan a better chance to have their platform heard come August.
We now at 22k votes and 15% (1 uncommitted delegate at the convention)
I feel like the better goal would be 150k, about how much Biden beat Trump by. But if the current percentages don’t change much they’ll fall a little shy of that. Still enough to show that there’s a very good chance of Biden losing, but > Biden’s 2020 margin would’ve been a very clear nail in the coffin for his chances in Michigan.
Also as far as I can tell there’s still a decent chance they’ll fall just shy of 15% as well.
A lib redditor said "amorphous 'other'" in their copium and it made me laugh.
Functionally two incumbents in the ballot
- Incumbent A: pulls 85% and has 15% for some amorphous “other”
- Incumbent B: pulls 66% and has 30% actively for a named competitor
It’s clear who’s in trouble and it’s Candidate B.
the logic that 15% of your state's party base actively voting for "no one you are offering, fuck you" being more optimistic than a divided electorate between candidates, one of which will inevitably fold and endorse the other upon which their broader voter base will be absorbed, is entirely unserious motivated reasoning
do they not think that ≤80, fuck, ≤90% of Cruz primary voters held party line in 2016. this is your brain on believing never-trump republicanism to be a mover and shaker in american politics
If actual competitors like Newsom, Whitmer, or Sanders were in the race the results would not be 85% Biden.
If my cat had two wheels and handlebars it would be a bike.
Because it isn’t a cult of personality
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Gotta make sure I spell uncommitted correctly. I know it's my only language, but damn English for picking and choosing when to double on t's and s's.
Am I reading this correct, this is the breakdown of only 10% of the votes? Wild.
Yeah it's pretty grand. For context, in 2016 Trump beats Hillary in Michigan by 11k votes. The fact that 20k people and counting voted Uncommitted just to spite Biden, we've already won regardless of the final tally tonight.
Democratic Party is a private institution - so they probably just assign the delegates to local party apparatchik, who would in turn vote for Biden in the convention.
Yeah, primary delegates are pretty much funny money compared to general delegates (still pretty much funny money too).
Depends on how you look at it. Percentage-wise, it is not as good. In 2012, running uncontested as incumbent Obama had 10% uncommitted.
However, if you look at the number of votes, the Dem primary in Michigan today had about 5x the turnout compared to 2012 Obama primary, because people turned out to vote uncommitted and the Dem-drones to avoid Biden embarrassment also came out to vote. Today we will likely reach 100k uncommitted votes, which is 5x the 20k uncommitted votes in 2012. That means 80k extra people took time of their day to waste time casting a protest vote. Hillary lost Michigan to Trump by 11k votes, and Biden won Michigan by 150k votes, so 80k worth of protest votes in Michigan can swing the whole state easily.
Appreciate the color; I think most will fall in line, but it looks like the media is having to acknowledge the dissent at least.
Yeah kinda a mixed result. It is nice that the media had to acknowledge the dissent, and that's the bottom line of the night. The amount of people voting out of spite is to be commended.
The uncommitted showed strength not only in Arab American precincts, but also in predominantly white and young college towns like Ann Arbor. These college kids would likely just straight up not vote rather than getting coerced to fall in line. What is somewhat disappointing is the lack of solidarity by Black people in Detroit, I would've thought that there would be more solidarity there given how many Black activists supported the Palestinian cause.
My intuitions are only that, given the incredibly unpopular Republican culture war platform, there's going to be a lot of enthusiasm down ballot, even if there is squeamishness for Biden himself; Dems are positively stronger on labor than any time in recent memory-- UAW and SF probably net Dems big in MI, if anywhere. I think sans Gaza Biden would be looking at a larger margin than last time, and from your helpfully provided numbers above, even that 80k protest vote isn't sufficient to cut into the 2020 margin (those people are not going to vote for Trump).
Again, I think we agree that as long as there's a plausible threat that Biden flubs, there's hope for some concessions; I'm not sure Biden losing is good, but I wish the threat was stronger/more motivating.
Haley got over twice that and the vibe is that she is beyond finished.
The Republican still had somewhat competitive primary, so turnout is way larger. Republican today had >300k turnout than Democrats, corresponding to +10% lead in total popular votes. By your logic, Dems are beyond finished if they lose Michigan by 10%
