Links and Stuff
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict
Add to the above list if you can, thank you.
Resources For Understanding The War Beyond The Bulletins
Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map, who is an independent youtuber with a mostly neutral viewpoint.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have good analysis (though also a couple bad takes here and there)
Understanding War and the Saker: neo-conservative sources but their reporting of the war (so far) seems to line up with reality better than most liberal sources.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict and, unlike most western analysts, has some degree of understanding on how war works. He is a reactionary, however.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent journalist reporting in the Ukrainian warzones.
Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.
Yesterday's discussion post.
I can't wait to get bombed by NATO's newest members, Finland and Sweden, here in my humble third world nation.
It might even be by a woman or even nonbinary pilot. Don't you just feel the progress?
The pilots bombing you will have free healthcare and walkable cities.
Ugh. Small, mostly off-topic rant. :reddit-logo:'s /r/fuckcars is usually pretty good, and there do seem to be a lot of actual leftists there, but god damn do they go hard on this European walkable cities bit sometimes. And also on the idea that driving should just be made infinitely expensive, because obviously the result will be that transportation alternatives will magically appear and become sufficient, and not that poor people will be unable to work and lose their housing and shit. sigh
My experience with scandinavian socialism comes from experiences like a Finnish company (along with a Spanish one) setting up a pulp mill for paper production in the Uruguay River, shared by both Uruguay and Argentina, sparking protests for enviromental safety concerns. Another example is the Swedish Mining Company Boliden AB dumping their waste in Chile... if I look hard enough I'll find more shit the wholesome Scandinavian dudes did to us.
Oh, there's a reason why their forests are green and their rivers have crystal-clear waters...
Love how American capitalism focused so hard on just in time supply economics for its share holding elite that they stopped being able to feed babies.
This system is stupid.
I know you're joking but in some adoptee circles I'm in we're seeing western couples already talking about adopting or "fostering" Ukrainian orphans. Western couples do this after every tragedy
This is not about the potential adoptees being Ukrainian. As I said its being discussed in groups of actual adoptees who actually know what its like to adopted and fostered and the abuse that comes with it. We know first hand what "well meaning" international adoptive families are like.
Nothing i said was in criticism of the children being Ukrainian so I don't know what the rest of you reply was about.
Sweden and Finland needs to join NATO to defend them from the threats they face because they are joining NATO.
swedish prime minister just had a press conf saying they have decided to join NATO and want to send in their application together with finland's
not really a surprise but now it's "official"
socdems are so funny
just consciously shitting on the legacy of the martyr Olof Palme
Olof Palme
I'd never heard of him before, but what a fascinating character.
spoiler
Palme was a pivotal and polarizing[1] figure domestically as well as in international politics from the 1960s onward. He was steadfast in his non-alignment policy towards the superpowers, accompanied by support for numerous liberation movements following decolonization including, most controversially, economic and vocal support for a number of Third World governments. He was the first Western head of government to visit Cuba after its revolution, giving a speech in Santiago praising contemporary Cuban revolutionaries.
Frequently a critic of Soviet and American foreign policy, he expressed his resistance to imperialist ambitions and authoritarian regimes, including those of Francisco Franco of Spain, Augusto Pinochet of Chile, Leonid Brezhnev of the Soviet Union, António de Oliveira Salazar of Portugal, Gustáv Husák of Czechoslovakia, and most notably John Vorster and P. W. Botha of South Africa, denouncing apartheid as a "particularly gruesome system." His 1972 condemnation of American bombings in Hanoi, comparing the bombings to a number of historical crimes including the bombing of Guernica, the massacres of Oradour-sur-glane, Babi Yar, Katyn, Lidice and Sharpeville and the extermination of Jews and other groups at Treblinka, resulted in a temporary freeze in Sweden–United States relations.
Palme's assassination on a Stockholm street on 28 February 1986 was the first murder of a national leader in Sweden since Gustav III in 1792, and had a great impact across Scandinavia.[2] Local convict and addict Christer Pettersson was originally convicted of the murder in district court but was unanimously acquitted by the Svea Court of Appeal. On 10 June 2020, Swedish prosecutors held a press conference to announce that there was "reasonable evidence" that Stig Engström had killed Palme.[3] As Engström committed suicide in 2000, the authorities announced that the investigation into Palme's death was to be closed.[3] The 2020 conclusion has faced widespread criticism from lawyers, police officers and journalists, decrying the evidence as only circumstantial, and too weak to ensure a trial had the suspect been alive.
He was genuinely a great man and he built the socdem institutions that were not "communist" but still lifted so many people and gave them honest dignified lives. This is why the CIA killed him
If protection wasn’t a great racket the Sicilian Mafia wouldn’t be getting payments from everyone in Sicily
More of that sweet NATO expansion. I'm sure this will have zero negative effects
I really hate the liberal take about how the Ukraine war was a grave error for Putin that "backfired" because it made NATO expand into Sweden and Finland.
Exactly how delusional do you have to be to believe that Russia didn't anticipate this extremely expectable reaction right from the beginning? Even the westoid shitlibs got this one right for Marx' sake.
And sure, Russia is not happy about a hostile empire stationing troops on their northern borders but exactly what do these liberals think the alternative looked like to Russia?
The US was rejecting all diplomacy and refusing to compromise. Stoltenberg, that succdem Norwegian ghoul, was taunting Russia, saying that NATO would not deny Ukraine membership. The Kiev government was blatantly ignoring the Minsk agreements, building up troops in the Donbass, insisting on joining NATO and even talking about getting nuclear weapons and invading Crimea.
A US-controlled Ukraine would have been a national security disaster to Russia. American tanks would have a few hundred kilometres through flat terrain to Moscow. American missiles would be able to hit Russian population centres with little warning. Washington would control gas pipelines of crucial importance to the Russian economy. Russia felt threatened, Cuban missile crisis levels of threatened.
Maybe the chances of the Ukraine actually being let into NATO was not as great as the chance of the western imperial powers leaving their Ukrainian simps hanging indefinitely. This doesn't preclude military presence of the US or American satellite states however. But even the likelihood of a US-controlled NATO would be reason to extreme concerns in Russia.
On the other hand Sweden and Finland are already thoroughly integrated in the American empire politically, militarily and economically. NATO expansion here is a threat to Russia and it will lead to increased militarisation and increased tensions in the Baltics but it can in no way be compared with the threat a US-controlled Ukraine would pose.
Western libs usually scoff and roll their eyes when you mention Ukrainian Nazis. I even had one say “enough about the Nazis already” while still trying to discuss Ukraine.
They don’t take Nazism seriously because they never paid the price for their genocides and slaughter. They think Nazi is a fun insult to toss at Chuds but don’t really think of them as an existential and real threat.
Russians lost 27 million to Nazism within living memory, and they are seeing those same exact demons arise again from the west.
These fuckers talked no stop about how Trump was literally Hitler, but when Jews in another country are literally being threatened by actual Nazis, they say "enough about the nazis already". Jesus christ I hate them so much
I think there's a lot of truth to the west never having the full Nazi experience (it was still fucking horrible though). Poland is an interesting exception though, they were absolutely devastated by the Nazis and suffered immensely, yet they are s or me of the banderites' most rabid supporters today.
Poland got too much of the Nazi experience if you know what I mean. All of the best Poles died in WW2, leaving only the collaborators alive
BBC reporting that the UK's 'top military leader' has said that Ukraine is winning the war and will remain a sovereign nation, proving that the west is going to take any outcome of this war that isn't Russia completely annexing all of the country (which was almost definitely never their goal) as a glorious win for plucky little Ukraine and proof of why we need NATO.
I really gotta stop watching estabishment media takes on this shit, it's damaging my brain.
Turkey's demands are quite interesting. If Scandinavia throws the PKK under a bus will it affect the US in Syria?
Sponsoring terrorism shouldn’t be disqualifying to join NATO, it’s a prerequisite
Huh, I thought they had ties with the YPG that the US is working with. Maybe I don't really grasp that whole situation fully.
the YPG aren't the PKK, and in any case the alleged links between the two orgs that Turkey uses to justify ethnic cleansing don't bother the US in their occupation of the region
There's like half a dozen factions of Kurds in the border areas of Syria, Iraq, and Turkey.
The U.S. "worked with" the YPG very opportunistically and temporarily because the YPG were extremely effective at fighting ISIS, and that was good PR and simultaneously a burr in Assad's side. The YPG knew all along the U.S. would betray them, as it very much did, giving Turkey the green light to attack Rojava as it pulled all support away to simply go shore up its hold on oil fields elsewhere in Syria.
Russia could be influencing Turkey through backchannels as well. Erdogan and Putin have been building up the relationship between their two countries. Wouldn't be unthinkable that Turkey agreed to disrupt the ascension of the Nordic states in exchange for some unknown concession from Russia. That'd be a pretty smart and clever move on Putin's part, using NATO's large size against them
Is there an ejection clause in NATO at all? I'm guessing Turkey would back off before that but it'd be funny to see Turkey gum up NATO expansion for awhile.
They kind of like having Turkey in the US sphere of influence. Throwing a tantrum and sending them into the arms of Russia would be incredibly geopolitically stupid.
Indeed. But doing incredibly geopoliticallly stupid things seems to be in vogue for the West rn.
Could we throw a tantrum and shove the Turkish leadership in to the Bosphorus? Remember when the Right was droning on about "Islamo-Fascism" a decade or so ago? That's more or less what's actually going on in Turkey under Erdogan.
With Sweden selling out to NATO, tomorrow's mega should be Olof Palme themed. From all the non-communist leaders in Europe, he was the greatest and the most compassionate towards oppressed people in the Third World, and even his criticism towards the post-Stalin Soviet Union was pretty justified
Yep, and the patsy they had chosen for it was unanimously acquitted. Oops. Then the other suspect for the assassination up and died, so oh well, case closed! Shows over!
I pasted this earlier in the thread. Just some basic info on him from wikipedia for those who don't want to click through:
Olof Palme
I'd never heard of him before, but what a fascinating character.
spoiler
Palme was a pivotal and polarizing[1] figure domestically as well as in international politics from the 1960s onward. He was steadfast in his non-alignment policy towards the superpowers, accompanied by support for numerous liberation movements following decolonization including, most controversially, economic and vocal support for a number of Third World governments. He was the first Western head of government to visit Cuba after its revolution, giving a speech in Santiago praising contemporary Cuban revolutionaries.
Frequently a critic of Soviet and American foreign policy, he expressed his resistance to imperialist ambitions and authoritarian regimes, including those of Francisco Franco of Spain, Augusto Pinochet of Chile, Leonid Brezhnev of the Soviet Union, António de Oliveira Salazar of Portugal, Gustáv Husák of Czechoslovakia, and most notably John Vorster and P. W. Botha of South Africa, denouncing apartheid as a "particularly gruesome system." His 1972 condemnation of American bombings in Hanoi, comparing the bombings to a number of historical crimes including the bombing of Guernica, the massacres of Oradour-sur-glane, Babi Yar, Katyn, Lidice and Sharpeville and the extermination of Jews and other groups at Treblinka, resulted in a temporary freeze in Sweden–United States relations.
Palme's assassination on a Stockholm street on 28 February 1986 was the first murder of a national leader in Sweden since Gustav III in 1792, and had a great impact across Scandinavia.[2] Local convict and addict Christer Pettersson was originally convicted of the murder in district court but was unanimously acquitted by the Svea Court of Appeal. On 10 June 2020, Swedish prosecutors held a press conference to announce that there was "reasonable evidence" that Stig Engström had killed Palme.[3] As Engström committed suicide in 2000, the authorities announced that the investigation into Palme's death was to be closed.[3] The 2020 conclusion has faced widespread criticism from lawyers, police officers and journalists, decrying the evidence as only circumstantial, and too weak to ensure a trial had the suspect been alive.
To be fair, the second guy wasnt even officially a suspect until after his death, and mostly became a suspect because he was doing bizarre fame seeking shit about being "the first man on the scene" after the murder, when most witnesses weren't sure he even was there, and people looked at that in retrospect and went "Yo who's this weird asshole?".
But the police have essentially no evidence against him, they have no reasonable idea of where he got a magnum from aside from a vague suggestion of "Well maybe he borrowed it from a gun collector friend?", if it was a planned assassination then his movements only make sense if he was working with spotters and other people, but the police say he did it alone, which implies he on a pure whim decided to keep a magnum revolver at his advertising workplace, randomly took it with him when leaving work, just happened to accidentally run into Olof Palme and his wife, and shot him on again, a whim.
FWIW at least one of the former investigators on the case believes that a police conspiracy is plausible and should be investigated, there had been a scandal at the time of a group of nazi sympathising cops going around Stockholm wearing civilian clothing and brutalizing people, mostly drug addicts.
They also initially went 100% in on their suspicion that PKK had assassinated Palme, which lead to them being scammed by some guy through the Danish police, who demanded 10,000 dollars and then told them that the murderer was hiding in the Syrian embassy in Stockholm, which he was then informed that there was no Syrian embassy in Stockholm, and he just went "Oh guess they lied to me then" and then just named some random government minister and ambassador as the next targets of the PKK.
Turkey blocking Scandinavia from joining NATO because they “support terrorists” is so fucking funny. Turkey. Getting mad at terrorist supporting states looool
Azov seems to be surrendering. Wounded have been evacuated to DPR controlled hospitals, everyone else taken on buses towards Russia.
Now that every country in Europe is part of global alliances, surely this will lead to peace. Btw has anyone heard what happened in history since 1914?
There's a really big difference this time. Unlike all those other times, NATO is a defensive alliance committed to defending democracy, freedom and goodness.
This time the Nazis are good instead of bad too. Glad we can breathe a sigh of relief that we have Azov protecting our Eastern Front from the judeobolsheviks
China's economic activity slides as Covid lockdowns hit growth CNN
China's economy reviving as anti-virus curbs ease SeattleTimes
Ah yes, news. Something is happening in China. I feel so informed.
Worse than that, when China is consistently growing every year they are faking the data, but when China is crashing then the SEESEEPEE data is suddenly very reliable and shows a clear picture of why zero COVID is bad and why the world is trying to move on but China just isn't letting millions of people die yada yada.
Geez just let them die for shareholder value how hard of a concept is that
Yeah, I specifically try and put articles like that next to each other just to show that there's fairly frequent disagreements in reporting between MSM sources but often both articles spin it as anti-China or whatever because the facts don't actually matter to liberals, it's just the vibes. Like, keeping up the Ghost of Kiev even though many of them sorta realized that it wasn't true, to "maintain morale". Which is what makes the whole fact-checking trend of the last 6 years so funny.
