• AFineWayToDie [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    A dude from my high school who I still for some reason follow on insta, complete tankie, is trying to organize a yellow vest rally to subsidize gas prices

    This person's friend is not a tankie and they are conclusively, completely ignorant for thinking so.

    How long until the libs learn "chud" and manage to ruin that one, too? Or did it happen already?

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Do you think they'd be frightened by actual tankies who actually support driving tanks in to various places in order to violently install communism?

    • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I've seen it tossed around a bit. My friends and I actually used chud like 15 years ago to refer to people we didn't like in college. It was real easy for it to slide back into my lingo after the chapo hosts popularized it to mean right wing douches. Edit: Except if we had typed it it would have been CHUD because of the movie C.H.U.D. We were all a bunch of horror movie junkies.

      • LeninsRage [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        They've always been envious and imitated the style of the old CTH sub

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          We might be locked out of the halls of power and doomed to watch society rot in it's own putrescence, but at least we're funny, which is something they can never have.

        • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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          2 years ago

          We have our own set of insults instead of pretending name-calling is bad and using slurs behind closed doors.

  • Des [she/her, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    just reading the comments you can tell there is like no ideological cohesion at all in that sub.

    • LeninsRage [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Every time /r/neoliberal comes up I feel obligated to repeat the only three unifying principles of that sub:

      1. Extreme, irrational hostility to the online left above literally everything else
      2. Hyper-partisan loyalty to the Democratic Party
      3. Rhetorical support for every "good thing" regardless of if it's ideologically consistent

      You can see these principles in action right now in their top posts. 2/3 are hostile to "populists" and Rose Twitter, all the comments are full of morons who hold contradictory positions and try not to think of themselves as complicit with reigning hegemony.

      • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        it's an astroturfed think tank subreddit full of interns and sock puppets :shrug-outta-hecks:

        any organic posters have brainworms from browsing the literal think tank too much

        • LeninsRage [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah its founded by PPI but its been overrun by very confused wannabe New Dealers, as the actual neoliberals themselves constantly complain. But yeah most have brain worms from being embedded in lib ass academic fields and social media addiction.

          • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            yeah a lot of them don't understand that neoliberalism = reaganomics/thatchernomics of privatization, deregulation, and austerity. They just take the word at face value "liberalism, but new" (which itself is hilarious given that liberalism as an ideology dates back centuries and is associated closely with european colonialism and the emergence of the nation state out of the feudal paradigm.)

            so they think their stale ass succdem politics of "what if we saved capitalism from itself by doing New Deal 2.0" is compatible with the sub's founding ethos of doing Reaganomics with a #BLM bumper sticker. Actually scratch that. They've already peeled off their BLM bumper stickers.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Extreme, irrational hostility to the online left above literally everything else

        Finally, common ground between Hexbear and /r/neoliberal.

    • DiapsoraFan555 [none/use name,they/them]
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      2 years ago

      It’s more about vibes. “We’re the cool heads in a room full of panicking idiots”

      Meanwhile, I’m trying to figure out why more people aren’t panicking

      • LeninsRage [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Their version of panicking is complaining about how the online left sabotages the Democrats at every turn and that's why everything is fundamentally broken

        I'm serious, they completely lack any sense of self-awareness. Just take this second-highest comment from their current top post:

        One of the more deeply depressing things to see is that there really is no momentum whatsoever to fix any of our broken institutions. No fixing UI. No reforms to the FDA. Nothing.

        Wow I fucking wonder why, maybe you should find an answer to this question Mr Ben Bernanke flair. You might question your self-identity.

        And down the direct replies:

        I think the implication is that the lack of intellectually honest competition for Democrats ensures that we don't actually talk about the issues that impact our lives.

        Republicans are too busy hammering on culture war issues, which distracts Democrats like a sprinting rabbit distracts a dog. So democratic activists are busy worrying about climate change and abortion rights (which... fair) because Republicans are constantly undermining efforts to combat climate change and sabotaging abortion rights.

        It's not that Democrats are blameless. They're distracted.

        Honestly I'm sorely tempted to stop procrastinating in making my next account and attempting to dedicate it to just being the token Communist who earnest-posts in /r/neoliberal. It won't change anything, I'd probably get banned in short order, and I'd probably drive myself insane for no reason, but they really don't have any sort of pushback in their ridiculous echo chamber.

        • DiapsoraFan555 [none/use name,they/them]
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          2 years ago

          The truth is that Tommy is an emotionally stunted veteran with an anger problem and some codependency issues. People who are able to be exceptionally calm during a crisis are able to do so because they’ve had a substantial amount of practice at something that their peers haven’t. Nurses who’d had training from the military were a big asset during the initial Covid response, for example, because they were used to improvising supplied quickly and safely. But in most situations, a cool headed professional is operating alongside a team of other coolheaded professionals.

          Tommy’s also got drip tho and Cillian Murphy is 🥵

      • bigboopballs [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Meanwhile, I’m trying to figure out why more people aren’t panicking

        something in the air or water :shrug-outta-hecks:

    • usa_suxxx [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      I somehow felt that too looking from the meme and top post. What a strange place

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    People who specifically self-identify as neoliberals are some of the shittiest, most condescendingly out-of-touch dingbat motherfuckers you could have the misfortune of encountering online.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      They also tend to have a comorbidity where they can't stop touching their own chins, especially if a camera is nearby.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Imagine willingly associating with Reagan, but not being either the beneficiary of Reagans campaign of regulatory terror, nor an out and proud Christian fascist. What must that mind be like, if a mind we can call it?

  • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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    2 years ago
    Don't make me tap the sign

    r/neoliberal was created by and is astroturfed by a fossil fuel think tank called the Progressive Policy Institute, as part of their "Neoliberal Project"

    PPI has been around since 1989 and views itself as Bill Clinton's "idea mill" aka think tank. Why I call them a fossil fuel think tank is detailed here. They oppose climate action, defend fracking, and receive donations from Exxon Mobil.

    it's safe to say that their upvotes are farmed, and their organic support is mostly bourgeois economics and political science majors and interns who hope to work for PPI or a similar think tank one day. It's basically a Neera Tanden farm.

    The creator of r/neoliberal, Colin Mortimer, is the Director of the Center for New Liberalism at PPI, which seeks to "develop a salient identity around the center-left values that have increasingly come under fire in this age of populism."

    :pannekoek-point:

      • cosecantphi [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        I think they adhere to the same idea as the political compass definition of "left".

        That is they want to grind the poor into dust to use as fertilizer for the line to go up, but also they want gay marriage, legal abortions, and they claim to dislike racism*

        *They're still racist pieces of shit, but mostly only to poor people and people from the United States' designated enemies like Chinese people.

      • Steve2 [any]
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        2 years ago

        Along some cultural axis that has now subsumed the economic questions in our lives. What is considered left politically is that which the democrats support. Therefore a center leftist is a person who is "moderate" on cultural issues (meaning pro abortion but only for the first trimester for example, or pro immigration but anti dreamer) but otherwise in the Democrat camp of global bourgeois (contra GOP provincial bourgeois).

        There is no difference in foreign policy, no difference in economic policy. These are not considered in the calculus of left-right because they are just facts of American reality. Anymore than one can say something like "needing to eat or breathing" are political, there must be forever wars in the periphery, there must be a military industrial complex, there muat be means testing and the sell off of state capacity, there must be etc etc.

    • dismal [they/them, undecided]
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      2 years ago

      i havent had any in ages let alone avocado in general but yes avocado toast is good. idk why it gets so much shit. my statement becomes even truer if youre talking about avocado toast wiht garlic salt and at least a teaspoon of red pepper flakes on it (per slice i mean).

      i mean an avocado is what 2 or 3 dollars? ok so you use 50 cents worth of avocado on 25 cents of bread? wow holy fucking shit truly fucking crazy stuff, a 75 cent meal or snack. most of the chuds who moan about ~aVoCaDo ToAsT~ are eating 9 dollar big mac combos on the daily so idk how a toasted piece of bread with <1$ worth of a fruit on it are anything worth any amount of your time or effort to complain about.

        • dismal [they/them, undecided]
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          2 years ago

          oh that makes it even dumber and more nonsensical since everything is overpriced at any kind of food/beverage serving establishment lmao

        • edwardligma [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          there was some article a number of years back by some douchey mayo millennial who had like ten investment properties smugly blaming all his peers for spending all their money on frivolities like avocado toast instead of working hard and smartly buying houses like he did because a $20 avocado toast at a bougie cafe is definitely not a drop in the ocean of the cost of a $1 million average house price

          and youll be stunned to learn that his one weird trick for buying these houses in the first place turned out to have been rich parents giving him a bunch of money

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I don't know, but I wouldn't be that surprised if avocado's were viewed as exotic in some way and part of whats being said is "Oh you liberals with your elitist toast".

          Hojnestly though I have no idea it's culinarily indistinguishable from bagels with a schmear idk why it's such a huge thing.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        "How dare you pine for the extravagance of a peice of fruit and some bread?! Outrageous!"

    • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I like toast with avocado, sardines, and lemon. Avocado is just a creamy, relatively neutral flavor, put whatever shit you want on it.

    • NomadicWarMachine [any]
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      2 years ago

      I think it's good. Avocado is fatty and transfers other flavors well. Put some honey or peppers on it, makes for a filling breakfast.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Avacados are 5 fucking dollars right now. Five! Ahh!

      I read a post from a Latina woman bemoaning the advent of avocado toast, bc avocado on toast with a little salt used to be a cheap breakfast but popularity skyrocketed the price of avocados

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I used to be ready to burn down the store but then I got old. It might be because I live in an arid hell where nothing green was ever meant to come.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      My go to recipe is avocado, cherry tomatoes, sesame oil, and salt and pepper.

      I'm not even a vegan, I just don't think adding any animal product would improve the taste.

    • SpanishSpaceAgency [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I like just making a paste out of the avocado and seasoning it like guac, with lime, pepper, salt, chili and cumin. Really yummy :)

    • medium_adult_son [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Hearty bread, thickly sliced and toasted with some vegan butter, avocado, salt/pepper or everything bagel seasoning and tomatoes if I have any. Maybe hot sauce too.

    • Trouble [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It's kinda mid imo, tasty but there are many better uses for an avocado. Which costs like a dollar (more like a buck fifty now) its so silly they think it's some absurd luxury.

    • alcoholicorn [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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      2 years ago

      Microwave a quarter or half avacado for <10 seconds. Put on toast, then slice and spread evenly over the bread, kinda like spreading out a deck of cards. Slice paper thin if the avacado's a little under-ripe.

      Add yuccateca sauce and adobo seasoning.

      It's really convenient, and the avacado, hot sauce, and garlic/salty flavors work well together.

  • CrimsonSage [any]
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    2 years ago

    Its interesting to see people get so close to understanding structural problems and still somehow manage to not get them. It's watching the gif of that truck eternally hitting the pole.

    • Trouble [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      That's a lot of conservatives. I had one almost perfectly explain to me the tendency for rate of profit to decline over time, and really succinctly lay out the contradictions between workers wanting more value from their labor and corporate profits, but all of that as a way to argue that workers needed to be paid less.

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    I got two comments in and saw people complaining about tankies wtf.

    • CrimsonSage [any]
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      2 years ago

      I like how the moron in question cant think outside his programing enough to understand you can have subsidies to help working people access transit, whil;e also having larger structural change. I hate to fall into right winger tropes but it really is kind of like seeing an NPC trying to deal with something that isn't in it's dialogue wheel.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Ideology is a hell of a thing.

        Funny thing, I can get in to fascists heads a little because there are things that I hate. Like I can imagine, at least, building an empire of evil devoted entirely to hating... idfk... Okay actually I can't but at least I understand hate as an emotion, and fear, and shit.

        I don't know what the fuck motivates libs. Lack of imagination? Contempt? A crushing lack of hope that anything could ever improve? I don't understand what kind of ideology would look at the 90s and declare "This is it. This is the pinnacle of human civilization. Nothing more than this can be accomplished and to ask for more is childish and also morally wrong".

        • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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          2 years ago

          Fascism is still born of an anger at the failures of the modern moment. The wrong failures in many cases, but still acknowledging this isn't optimum. They imagine a future they would prefer to today,, which they think would make a happier,, healthier population. They are wrong, but they still want to see somethinf they think is good.Neoliberalism has not imagined better. They cannot imagine past a nice dinner and a good quarter. Neoliberalism is giving up, saying "we've reached the zenith, let's jerk off and stop dreaming." It's why they can only imagine change coming from technology, this is the ultimate possible world to them.

  • kristina [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    if gommunist soviet union lowers birth rates its genocide, though

  • PZK [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    They probably thought that would just apply to filthy poors. They didn't realize that would apply to almost everyone.

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Thing 1

        A lot of oil companies, particularly Exxon, knowingly spread misinformation about climate change because doing that was easier than adapting their business model. That decisions had almost certainly already let to millions of deaths.

        Thing 2

        I'll grant that some companies engage in climate denialism, but others do not and are in fact investing in Emissions reduction and alternative energy technologies.

        Staring at the camera like in that show people like

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Op-Eds are like the neoliberal version of wingnut welfare. :pete:

  • Multihedra [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It’s true (that op Ed writers are purposefully obtuse assholes). Just gotta crush em and move on when we can