• Dolores [love/loves]
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    4 months ago

    are westerners just all latently suicidal now, just craving an abrupt thermonuclear end to all these bullshit jobs? what else could be our excuse?

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      4 months ago

      In the west for everyone in the PMC and upwards consequences do not exist and have never existed their entire lives. Bad stuff only happens to people far away or to poors that don't work hard enough. Most of them genuinely do not think that it will affect them.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      4 months ago

      The guilt of genocide can’t be pushed down anymore. Each subsequent war is a way to redeem themselves. It’s a form of long term self harm

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      4 months ago

      The world wars were relatively brief as wars go. In and out. Four year adventure.

      Compare that to Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq. This feels more like we're setting up another 30 Years War.

      • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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        4 months ago

        I don’t really think so. The level of brutality world wars pretty much always necessitate is the reason they are short. You cannot sacrifice that amount of people forever.

        • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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          4 months ago

          Idk if I'd discount the brutality of Vietnam, between the cluster bombs and zippo raids and land mines and Agent Orange defoliant.

          That war was about as brutal as it was possible to get, shy of nuclear strikes.

          I think the WWs were, perhaps, more brief because of their scale. Very hard to maintain two fronts across central Europe for any length of time.

          • Tunnelvision [they/them]
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            4 months ago

            Vietnam was different for sure, but it just isn’t the same situation as a world war where multiple modernized military forces are going at it with the most cutting edge technology and tactics available. I think another reason world wars don’t last as long is because they are wars that are much harder to extract profit out of too. You have to sink an insane amount of resources into it at the cost of pretty much all other economic activity.

    • SerLava [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Troops in an """"""advisory"""""" and """"""training"""""" role stationed close to the front line who could of course defend themselves in the event of attack,

    • D61 [any]
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      4 months ago

      Military Advisors janet-wink

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Troops not involved in combat? Death to Canada, but it's a perfectly plausible thing to say. Medics, engineers, etc.

    • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]
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      4 months ago

      Our superior recon tells Ukraine where to shoot boom boom we supply them with. Therefore bullshit we didn't "pull the trigger".

    • AsLeftAsTheyCome [they/them, any]
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      4 months ago

      They’re going do the same shit as the reddit volunteers, where every reddit-logo mercenary was claiming to be a “medic.”

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      We should not for a second believe "oh we're not going to send anybody who'd directly harm anyone," but I believe most military personnel do not directly fight. Support/logistics needs are immense.

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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    4 months ago

    Do you want to hollow out the core of your professional military? Because this is how you hollow out the core of your professional military.

    Almost all NATO countries are struggling to meet recruiting quotas. Telling an undecided teen that he might be sent to die in Ukraine even if he lands a non combat role is recruiting suicide.

  • xi_simping [comrade/them, any]
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    4 months ago

    NATO Special forces confirmed to be operating as of two years ago as per NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/us/politics/commandos-russia-ukraine.html

    https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/canadian-special-forces-dont-deny-new-york-times-report-that-commandos-are-in-ukraine

  • WeedReference420 [he/him, they/them]
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    4 months ago

    Not to be a tankie or whatever but I'm gonna be pretty peeved if NATO's cope at losing escalates this shit into nuclear war. Threads did not make that look fun, like, at all.

    • M68040 [they/them]
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      4 months ago

      Pair with Come and See for a very offputting movie night

  • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    CIA agents, NED bozos, and American mercenaries were already there training/arming Ukraine two years ago, so I'm frankly surprised there wasn't already noncombat troops there.

    • hollowmines [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      img caption: "Ukrainian National guard soldiers simulate the evacuation of a wounded comrade and provide first medical help during tactical training at a shooting range in Kharkiv region, Ukraine, on Feb. 29, 2024. "

  • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
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    4 months ago

    The west hasn't suffered negative consequences from war in recent memory. Maybe they'd be less belligerent if they did

  • SkibidiToiletFanAcct [none/use name]
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    4 months ago

    I feel France is leading the charge because you need a nuclear armed country to deter tactical nuclear weapons which are likely part of Russia's strategy. However, France can't match Russia on tactical nukes, they would need to escalate with nuclear cruise missiles and submarine MIRVs

  • lorty@lemmygrad.ml
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    4 months ago

    I don't think they are necessarily manufacturing consent, I think it's posturing to see if Russia won't nuke them for getting involved.