Seriously. How to we get that hell hole removed from the web.

  • MiraculousMM [he/him, any]
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    2 years ago

    “I’m annoyed about what’s happening with me,” she wrote. “I’m more concerned with the [families] affected by the actual events.”

    a few commenters expressed concern for the artist: “lock your account hun… I’m sure you don’t want to deal with the unnecessary hate that comes with this.” She replied: “Just another day of being trans. I can handle stupid.”

    :flag-trans-pride: Trans people are braver than any fucking troop or shithead white supremacist. Serious props to her for facing the hate head-on and centering the victims and their families despite such horrific harassment.

  • FLAMING_AUBURN_LOCKS [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    they’ll just reconstitute somewhere else if 4chan gets shut down. the problem isn’t 4chan, its reactionaries being totally removed from the consequences of calling for violence thanks to the internet.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I'd rather that they have to go through the effort of trying to reorganize again and again instead of just throwing hands up and saying "4chan is inevitable, do nothing, lol."

      Deplatforming made Milo Yianopulos basically irrelevant. I'd rather at least try reducing the fascist signal.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Because sometimes removing someone from easy access to an immediate audience doesn't magically grant them the ability to regain that presence and audience elsewhere.

          That's why 4chan should be banned anyway, no matter how many "nothing will work so try nothing lol" theories are floating out there.

      • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        I'm mostly just pissed off that somebody is squatting on @Nero without making it a bit account.

        Like, come on! Make the account, talk to the admins, post the 14 words, and get banned! It's the perfect account bit!

        • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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          2 years ago

          And now I can't link back to their profile and say, "Well, wait 'til you see what Milo has to say about this shit!" and it's a ban page.

        • Nero [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          take this account from my cold dead hands lib

    • FunnyUsername [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Using Hexbear and T_D as proof, shutting down where they congregate works because they can never agree where they should move to and their next hub is inevitably smaller and less influential because the userbase can't reach as many people

      • DJMSilver [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        T_D website was one of the biggest hubs for organizing their January 6th protest and potential coup that could have easily caused a constitutional crisis if it had gone according to plan. If the class forces are strong enough, it does not matter where they are located since most are willing volunteers for their cause.

        • Deadend [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          If they got close to what they wanted - it would have been a military/police coming in to mass murder and Congress checking the boxes while standing on dead bodies.

          The whole thing was hinged on some Sovereign Citizen bullshit.

          • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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            2 years ago

            The police stood down and let it happen, if they weren't actively collaborating.

            Everyone in charge of security there knew or should have known that some degree of riot was coming, yet they did nothing to oppose it. Whereas a few months before they had armies of cops beating the shit out of people who were far less violent and far less vocal about their violence.

            • Deadend [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Well why would police hate them? But given the order - they would kill. The oriole giving the orders are Trump boys.

              They still are.

    • kristina [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      In a socialist society these sites would be hounded and each time a new one pops up their leaders would be investigated

    • Commander_Data [she/her]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, kinda wishing they'd do another "unite the right", I'm ready to introduce them to "consequences".

      • Deadend [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Unite the right vs the right to bear arms/ stand my ground. :pingu-horny:

    • CrimsonDynamo [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I don't think that genie is going back into the bottle without a time machine.

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I will never fully fathom how a bunch of *chan creeps, the kind that get off to (objectifying and often violent) "futa" cartoon porn, also at the same time absolutely hate trans people and wish them to kill themselves, or be outright murdered.

    On top of that, the fact that a startling number of trans people want to be "good ones" and appeal to these internet fascists disturbs me.

    • DragonNest_Aidit [they/them,use name]
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      2 years ago

      Honestly the more I think about, the more it felt like that Chan culture works more like a cult.

      For starter most of their membership are largely alienated that the site is legitimately the only place they have any social contact, Its members are constantly have their confidence torn down with barrage of degradation and hate packaged as some kind of humorous tough love, and they're constantly pitted against outsiders to built up a feeling that the chans are the only place where they will be "welcome" and thus made them distrustful of outsider.

      These are straight up textbook cult practice. Reels in vulnerable people with little support system, gaslit the shit out of them to make them feels even more alienated and dependent on the cult, and make them hostile against outsiders who they felt are coming after their group.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        All right-wing politics is sexual pathology. The reactionary mind is torn between desire to fuck minorities and fear that minorities are going to fuck them.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        How many of them are self-described "HAPAS" and rant about how being that is unfair and bad somehow, yet *chan culture is all about :lmayo: craving perfect subservient Asian breeding material?

  • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    as though they haven't already

    or is this about a specific person like when :reddit-logo: "found" the boston marathon bomber?

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      It is exactly the same as the Boston Bomber situation except it's a trans person people desperately wanted to be right about so they could deflect from the right for once.

  • anadyr [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I cannot be convinced that 4chan isn't an op.

    • MerryChristmas [any]
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      2 years ago

      It is and it isn't, IMO. What I mean is that I'm fairly confident it arose naturally, but there is no way an alphabet agency could resist the opportunity to take advantage of a community full of terminally online, turbovirgin nihilists.

      When /pol/ became a thing, that's when I think most of the organic culture (which was awful to begin with) devolved into its current state. I believe that is when 4chan transformed from an uncomfortable experiment in anonymity to a grooming center for right-wing terrorism.

      • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        The problem was that /pol/ was supposed to contain them to that board, but much like a prison environment, mostly just got all of them together in one easy place. They should have made it invisible like /trash/, but ya know, furries are worse than nazis according to the boards.

      • anadyr [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Yeah that's what I was thinking too. I mean think of how easy it must be to be a fed. Just hire some PR firm for 20 million (ideally a firm that you and your fed buddies are invested in) to spam the site endlessly with whatever you want. That's how those stupid wojack memes were started I'm pretty sure - literally just spammed by the same dude over and over until they were just accepted by the community and they spread it to the rest of the internet.

        Also the fact that m00t went to work for fucking Google after leaving 4chan :thonk:

        • Ideology [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          It's way easier to use cybernetic social control methods on the internet, basically by design, due to the way computers and networks are organized under hierarchal systems that privilege "trusted" entities like DNS servers and T1 Lines. There are beamsplitters in T1 facilities that can be used for wiretapping, as well as massive datacenters that systematically analyze unencrypted data and encrypted metadata in order to research social/behavior patterns among groups and individuals of interest online.

          Also Tor was developed and is partially maintained by the US govt. They allowed civilian users onto the system because it obfuscates their own participation.

          Edit: Wikipedia

          The Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA) of the U.S. Department of Defense awarded contracts in 1969 for the development of the ARPANET project, directed by Robert Taylor and managed by Lawrence Roberts. ARPANET adopted the packet switching technology proposed by Davies and Baran, underpinned by mathematical work in the early 1970s by Leonard Kleinrock at UCLA.

            • Ideology [she/her]
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              2 years ago

              Because we've been habituated to using the internet to alleviate alienation and communists saturate the west about as densely as the active ingredients in a homeopathic remedy.

    • throwaway_159246837 [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      White nationalist recruiters are active on 4chan. They know how to be manipulative and to "one step at a time" a gullible mark toward some nazi position. They also post a lot of threads meant to prime people. A lot of the "BBC" threads are posted by them, for example. In threads like those it's pretty easy to provoke a response from the OP revealing their motives.

  • MerryChristmas [any]
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    2 years ago

    Here's an interesting phenomenon I've noticed on 4chan's Pokemon board: people have started posting "I'm trans btw" and then they just leave the thread. I don't think it is even slightly in good faith and I'm not sure what their goals are, but it's led to increased backlash against the more outspoken transphobes because they always take the bait. Every. Single. Time.

    At this point, I'm just curious to see how it plays out. It'd be interesting if simply baiting the transphobes into revealing how goddamn obnoxious they are had an impact on a toxic culture like that.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      2 years ago

      For them it's just trolling because the transphobes are incapable of not taking the bait. It's an easy way to derail the thread because there's always someone lurking who doesn't want to talk about the children's monster battle game but just wants an excuse to say slurs.

  • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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    2 years ago

    As the reality of the situation began to settle in last night, one commenter conspiratorially insisted the right-wing had been set up: “The left started the rumour on Twitter to make it look like Twitter is only full of racist fascist transphobes to discredit Twitter because Elon bought it. But we not ready for that conversation.” The artist responded, crisply: “No I think [you’re] mistaken.”

    Good God the internet actually makes you stupid. It makes you dumber and dumber and then it presents you with thousands of even dumber people so you still feel infallibly smart by comparison.

  • CIYe [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Love and solidarity to our trans comrades :rat-salute: :soviet-heart: : stay strong these fucks are absolutely sick

  • Ideology [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Mainstream media putting a megaphone on this junk plus the monkeypox stuff gives me a sinking feeling.