• plov_mix [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    clarifying

    Like I know I have low self-esteem, but why the hell do people have the confidence and hubris to weigh in when they literally don’t know shit?!?!

    • Thylacine [any]
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      2 years ago

      the anonymity of the internet and the proliferation of the "hot take economy"? i see shit like this all over twitter and even here too, it's not just a liberal thing lol.

      like it's a little embarrassing to be called out or corrected in person, but you can say whatever you want on the internet and no one's going to remember you're the one who doesn't know the difference between Uyghurs and Uruguayans, or how you spouted off some dumbass take without reading the article/knowing the context. and if you're somewhat famous your followers will just make excuses or ignore it. people don't get that it's ok to just not say anything sometimes

    • TheGamingLuddite [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Libs are constantly jockeying to be on the right side of history so they won't apply a critical lens to the information they absorb if it's morally shocking. In this case even reading one of the articles or learning to pronounce 'Uyghur' is tantamount to being a tankie genocide denier. Just internalize and move on!

    • CheGueBeara [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Internet socialization is mostly about repeating and internalizing what people in your in-group say and crapping on what anyone outside of it say. Learning and humility are secondary at best.

    • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      unwarranted confidence in things they know nothing about is a liberal trademark at this point

    • FidelCastro [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      White cishet guys who have always been rewarded socially for saying whatever cognitive diarrhea pops into their mind.

      Combine that with the internet’s “hot take machine”, :freeze-peach: brainworms, and the :cia: using :reddit-logo: as a propaganda machine… perfect conditions for chauvinism and arrogance.

      No investigation, no right to speak.

    • Shoegazer [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Everyone has to have an opinion on something. You know how when you were a child and thought being “political” meant you were mature and intelligent? Yeah some people never grew out of that phase

  • Mog_Pharou [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I had a lib coworker get really mad that I supported China, "Don't you know they are genociding Rohinga muslims!?!". lmao you can't even get your muslims right in your fake ass outrage.

    • viva_la_juche [they/them, any]
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      2 years ago

      Imagine going back to 2002 or isis era and telling people Americans are gonna be super concerned about the plight of Muslims in China one day

      • Shoegazer [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        America and Europe were fiending to slaughter anyone with a beard and brown skin following the Europe attacks and now they have tears rolling down their cheek for Muslims lmao.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        The next Rambo movie will be dedicated to the brave fighters of the East Turkestan Liberation Front. It will age as well as Rambo 3.

  • bbnh69420 [she/her, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    I thought that was intentional, and it was hilarious, then I realized they were deadly serious, and it became funnier

  • CoolerOpposide [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    If China is doing genocide against the Uyghurs, they’re doing a pretty shit job at genocide considering the Uyghurs are the second fastest growing ethnic group in all of China.

    Second only to

    Tibetans.

  • pppp1000 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Reddit is full of reactionary western "leftists". From calling Lenin a traitor to the working class to calling USSR and China imperialist countries. Chauvinistic crackers masquerading as "leftists" to shill for the west.

    • DengXixian [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The chauvinism of :reddit-logo: is insufferable and makes even most of “left” reddit unusable. I saw someone call Lenin an opportunist and claim queer rights were “bourgeoisie decadence” in a single comment.

      In contrast, Hexbear banning for chauvinism, sectarianism, and bigotry has made this site one of the only functional leftist spaces on the western internet. “Free speech” spaces are an idealist grift that only benefit entrenched power.

      The rhetoric and ideas of oppressors, colonizers, and imperialists should be censored.

    • geikei [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Thats not reddit, thats the general legacy and position of modern american "libleft" . They arent "online positions". They are the mainstream and the ones held and propagated by figureheads like Chomsky. Of course you can fault red scare and cointelpro but at some point onwards its chauvinism and embracing anti-communism more happily than any population on earth

      • panopticon [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        True enough it's just that reddit is full of them. But when your chemistry rofessor is all like "ummmm didn't u know Stalin inspired Hitler" something is definitely amiss

    • DengXixian [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      :so-true: He even linked to wikipedia, which is very reliable!!

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Of all the heroes I've killed in my life Wikipedia is I think the one that pains me the most.

  • Flinch [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    there has to be a strain of weird american conservative that loves China specifically because they think they're actually genociding muslims. That's a type of guy who has to exist.

    • FidelCastro [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I doubt it. 54% of Americans read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level and Americans are also infamous for being unable to identify any other countries on a map.

        • FidelCastro [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          they should stop being blood thirsty chauvinists regardless of their age

          :eric-andre:

          • DengXixian [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            umm excuse me it’s rude to condemn the hitler youth for claiming the jews are controlling the banks. they are just heckin children

        • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Yeah they have a post about "countries that got away with ethnic genocide" on the front page right now, as if China is getting away with its treatment of Uyghur Muslims, which isn't even genocidal in any way, on the same level that the US got away with indigenous genocide or France and the UK with gestures wildly. So probably it's 196.

            • DengXixian [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              They love repeating this line, which makes me suspect Amerika probably harvests the organs of the innocent people enslaved within its massive prison systems.

              • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                I dated a girl who was in a near fatal car crash that left her with an assortment of surgical scars and her father had been very adamant that because she was an organ donor that they had almost let her die to harvest her young undamaged insides. It has occurred to me that a society where an assortment of vehicle related deaths are considered the norm is a great boon for people waiting for a new kidney or lung.

                  • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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                    2 years ago

                    EMTs don't have time to check that shit

                    if you're worried about it lobby for changing the system to opt-out instead of opt-in. (because religious weirdos care about their organs for some reason )

            • TheGamingLuddite [none/use name]
              hexagon
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              2 years ago

              The organ farming accusations are Falun Gong canard, likewise most of the claims about Xinjiang literally stem from Al Qaeda agitprop. There was an al qaeda propaganda video on youtube uploaded in 2014 with all of Zenz's 2019 claims in it but it seems to be gone now.

            • RedDawn [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              I also got banned from that sub for questioning the Uyghur genocide narrative

              • Aryuproudomenowdaddy [comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                One of the best parts of not going on :reddit-logo: anymore is not being accused of being a genocide denier anytime I assert that just maybe China isn't the Great Satan who are committed to global Han domination.

            • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              I don't remember if I ever commented on that sub before I deleted my account, I think I didn't. I gotta admit that I still browse it daily because it's the only large subreddit that is mostly fine politically.

              • DengXixian [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                it’s the only large subreddit that is mostly fine politically

                :doubt:

                A captured “leftist” sub that apparently caters to teenagers and is also imperialist?

                Sounds like the state department has managed to narrow the range of acceptable discussion on :reddit-logo: very effectively.

                • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  Yes it's garbage on anything foreign policy (much better at calling out Western imperialism than usual and has the usual reddit brainworms on Ukraine) but there's no transphobia (sometimes there's chasers though) and they dunk on neolibs. I prefer /r/TrueAnon and SLS but those subs get 2 orders of magnitude fewer posts.

                  • DengXixian [he/him]
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                    2 years ago

                    fair enough. I forget how difficult it is to find non-transphobic places online that are not exclusively queer. Hexbear has spoiled me.

                    :deng-salute:

                    • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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                      2 years ago

                      Yeah I mean I'm cis so it's not really for my sake, just good to be somewhere where I know the other people aren't scumbags.

                      • DengXixian [he/him]
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                        2 years ago

                        Oh, absolutely. I mean the same as well. Transphobes are fascists and finding places that throw them out is a literal baseline requirement for me.

                        The rights of queer people are non-negotiable, same as any marginalized community. Anyone who thinks otherwise is only a few drinks away from selling us all out for a red armband.

          • DengXixian [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            umm excuse me it’s rude to condemn the hitler youth for claiming the jews are controlling the banks. they are just heckin children

            • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              It's crazy to excuse them for just being young and ignorant, because if you're so ignorant how are you so caught up with the State Dep line?? If anything I'd be willing to give a pass to the guy who thought they were genociding Uruguayans because that's a hilarious mistake I would've made when I was 13.

          • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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            2 years ago

            which isn’t even genocidal in any way,

            it might be cultural genocide but english monolinguals have no shot at telling the difference.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              The West specifically fought to exclude cultural genocide from all formal definitions of genocide when the international laws were being drawn up. It's outright hypocritical for them to pivot to this argument now, especially while providing zero evidence.

              A recent article about cultural genocide in Tibet even used a photo of a school that was using both Chinese and Tibetan script in its teaching materials: https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/china-committing-cultural-genocide-against-tibetan-children/

              • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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                2 years ago

                good thing i'm not "the west" and can still talk shit about (possibly, maybe, at most, not that I could tell) cultural genocide.

        • DengXixian [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Then they should be cyber bullied into shutting the fuck up while they are still impressionable and open to new ideas

        • jkfjfhkdfgdfb [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          actual children, your average american adults, what's really the difference

        • RedDawn [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Give me the $5 please I am collecting on your bet

      • DengXixian [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        54% of Americans read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level

        lol lmfao

        :amerikkka-clap:

        Nation of illiterate bigots. USA cannot collapse soon enough.

  • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Most "Leftist" Americans are white supremacist chauvinists who actively seek out news that reinforces that their civilization is superior to the people they've been told are their enemies.

    • DengXixian [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      umm excuse me it’s problematic to condemn the strasserites for claiming the jews are controlling the world banks. they are just heckin smol beans who are misinformed and can’t help it.

      it’s really hard for them that Germany isn’t #1 rn okay? real :yikes: moment here kicking some well intentioned potential allies. this is why the left can’t win, you’re not willing to work with people

      :stupidpol:

    • Teekeeus
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      7 days ago

      deleted by creator

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Cue an endless supply of Mayos claiming that Asian countries are more racist than America

      • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        This is the actual stance of a right winger I know and the subtextual stance of a liberal I know.

    • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      /r/teenagers for people whomst are going to do a heckin epic revolution.