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A forum of like 100 people is gonna topple the Biden administration with it's propaganda.
It's illustrative of something about how libs view the world and their conspiracy brainworms. Commies are such a small percentage of the western electorate but they treat us like a huge problem for them. And then act like shits and ignore the large pools of potential voters alienated by years of austeriy politics.
I keep asking people "how many 'tankies' do you actually think live in swing states specifically?" Nobody ever answers.
Seriously, they're a user who has never posted here, complaining to an instance we've never been federated with.
they actually defederated us as a "preemptive last resort" to avoid risking any of their users being seduced by
communist wrongthink three weeks before we federated with anybodypreemptive last resort
Chatgpt is more coherent then libs are.
Blue Anon is so bloody insufferable. At least Qanon has a fun Scooby Doo mystery for the hogs to follow. Liberals just want to cry and fucking cry.
I hate how they completely ignore how there's ongoing oppression against queer people and racial minorities right now, under Biden, and he's doing nothing about it or is actively making it worse. I live in Texas. Completely within Biden's term my state has outlawed trans healthcare and abortions. They've also begun gutting schools in primarily black or Latino districts. Biden's response has been to bomb Palestinians.
And yet these liberals tell me Trump is going to do worse to me? Biden's already allowing the worst of the fascists to do whatever they please. Biden in his second term is gonna overthrow the Texan state and shoot Greg Abbott in the head? And at the same time he'll bomb Palestinian kids?
Biden on immigration. Increase in deportations over Trump. Continued incarceration of children. Increase in arrest over Trump. Building the wall Trump started.
The guy is worse than Trump on immigration except in the opposite way Republicans say.
Yeah but Biden and the democrats respect states rights. Therefore you should vote for Biden unless you like and endorse everything you just said happened in your state.
Yeah but Biden and the democrats respect states rights.
State rights to do what
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And yet these liberals tell me Trump is going to do worse to me? Biden's already allowing the worst of the fascists to do whatever they please
It's things like this that really vindicates the whole scratched liberal thing from last century. At every single opportunity, without fail, liberals betray the working masses to fascists, always "compromising" and giving them carte blanche to do what they want, and when the fascists gain power, they won't do anything because they don't like changing the status quo. All because they fear a state controlled by the workers.
They’re real people who were infiltrated by trollfarms when they were still on Reddit and lured into a more controlled environment.
Ahh yes, lemmy, the more controlled environment than
lmaoI didn't get that comment at all, it's like they just threw that out there in a misguided attempt to gain credibility, because everything else they said in that thread was like they were fighting our corner.
Pretty sure it's an impression they picked up from our interactions with the fediverse rather than actual hexbear posts - they see the united front we put out when bodying liberals and believe that is our only face, one of complete agreement. They have no idea about the disagreements we have among ourselves, because they never visit the posts that happens on.
It's good to know we're still living rent free in their heads. I literally never think about those people.
I legit don't even remember their existence until one of you dweeb goes posting about them whinging about how their genocidal president's gonna get fucking owned by
A DAMN CHEETO THATS ABOUT TO GO INTO THE WHITEHOUSE
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If you can't leverage an action to get something, what good is that action? How valuable is it if you gain nothing from withholding it?
If the president won't change to get votes, then why bother voting for them at all?
Why engage with the electoral system if your only viable choice is to vote one party?
How is this system any good if a single election can destroy democracy forever? And finally, why would anybody say that this is a good system worth defending?
@JaymesRS@literature.cafe every single revolution has been preceded by rejection of the system.
Me waiting for someone to point at any time withholding your vote actually brought about measurable change in a positive direction.
Me waiting for someone to point at any time unconditionally promising to vote Democrat has actually brought about measurable change to the Democratic Party in a positive direction.
also lmao at them posting this to .world where they know we can't respond. @Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com come here and say that to our faces you fucking coward.
Me waiting for someone to point at any time withholding your vote actually brought about measurable change in a positive direction.
The qualifier at the end there is because there's lots of proof that moderates/independents threatening to vote for Republicans or not vote has in fact forced measurable change out of Democrats on many occasions.
I have been thinking about this more and more lately, and I think the push needs to be for people to vote for a third party if they have the option or otherwise leave a candidate blank, not to stay home. If people just stay home, the Democrats can waive them off and keep moving the party to the right. If Genocide Joe loses because a bunch of people voted for a third party candidate to the left of Biden, they can't ignore that easily.
That's one of the merits of the "uncommitted" thing, is people are still going and voting and it's just not for Joe
Staying home should not be an option considering the importance of state ballot initiatives, constitutional amendments, school board and city council seats, etc.
The presidential Ballot is not as important as those local elections.
The qualifier at the end there is because there's lots of proof that moderates/independents threatening to vote for Republicans or not vote has in fact forced measurable change out of Democrats on many occasions.
Why would you assume this and not the simpler explanation this was always the preferred course of action by the overwhelming ruling class and this perceived threat or the electoral game is itself just an excuse.
Another popular theory is the democrats have always been controlled opposition, people repeat this often, they're not meant to do or believe any leftist position.
"The democrats are moving right" is a popular narrative but were they ever to the "left" to the begin with? For example you can say yes you can also give a counter example of them doing outright right wing policies.
No matter how we decide, even if we take the dems as actual "left" on the American political discourse, I'm still not realy convinced they're moving right because of these right wing voters.
On the contrary I think the Democrats realized that Blue MAGA is real, their voters are just as unprincipled as they are, they only care about winning therefore they don't even have to pander to leftist positions anymore therefore giving the imagine they're moving right, no perhaps they just stopped pretending to be leftists at all.
I think that's a useful talking point to reach some kind of common ground with people who have faith in the capacity of the political system to produce positive outcomes, but I don't. Voting will not save us. Not voting will not save us. The Democratic Party is the left wing of capital. As a structure it is not responsive to any democratic process. It's possible that they lose in November. If the Greens or the PSL get 10% or 20% of the vote, they will not see that and think we need to seriously rethink our strategy, only those prole traitors fucked us. maybe we can send some of them to the camps to peel off more votes in the red state suburbs. Look at the UK. the liberal party has been consistently eating shit for over a decade, and it's only made them more contemptuous and hostile to social progress.
the only road forward runs through the rubble of their system. we will never win a thing by begging or yelling or holding our breath. we need to learn how to fight again.
@Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com if you're circlejerking with neoliberals over on .world, maybe you aren't much of a leftist.
db0 are 9/10 worthless techbro wankstains on par with programming.dev in the first place; so I automatically have my doubts
I've been lectured multiple times by the instance owner about how it's definitely an anarchist instance and I'm just a sectarian hypocrite, so you can see why I might couch things a certain way.
Also while you're here, point out all the memes we've been posting to convince people (ourselves??) not to vote. Please.
Real great stuff in there
"Hexbear users hate Biden with a passion and push the “both sides” envelope with fervor, so their message aligns with that of MAGA voters who want to dismantle the government. I don’t think Hexbear are really GOP advocates, I personally think they’re a small community that has been prodded along and mentored by Pro-CCP foreign agents, bots, and bad faith actors to create political divide and discord while also increasing support of the CCP and their immediate allies, but that’s all just armchair theorizing at this point."
the real pro-CCP foreign agents were the friends we made along the way
everyone who doesn't agree with me has been manipulated. only I have been led to the fountain of truth by my own wit
this is the only refrain they have. All people other than American liberals have been deceived or are purposefully lying about their own ideologies.
i don't know how they got this way. Liberals in the 1920s used to very clearly understand they were promoting the interests of the capital class. They disregarded their enemies as rabid unwashed poors and said this without sympathy. I wish they'd be more honest and start disregarding us again instead of infantalizing us
They're going to have a meltdown when they realise the China has been growing in popularity among the organised left for years now and it's slowly but surely been making its way into the wider left.
They'll probably just take it as a sign that "SeeSeePee propaganda" is fooling the left, but they're too smart to fall for it. It'll be used to reinforce their smugness, like everything else.
so their message aligns with that of MAGA voters who want to dismantle the government.
Halfway there, libshit dipshit. We're going to build a Soviet America and throw every pencilnecked wine cave bluemaga "VOTE!" monger into gulags for a minimum of at least 5 years.
No. We have no fun here in the gulag. (Which is a lie lmao) we only reform these nerds by pouring out bottles of wine into the slop troughs so the animals can enjoy themselves and throw the cheese, strapped to car batteries, into the ocean so the sealife can enjoy a snack while recharging
We have no fun here in the gulag
SMH the left hates fun
Their message aligns with that of MAGA voters who want to dismantle the government.
You know who else wanted to build trains? Hitler.
Big "The real racists are the ones who point out racism" energy
"Support for genocide should be a non-partisan issue but the CCP, Russia, and probably Iran (but that's just armchair theorizing) have turned it into an issue that is dividing this nation 😡😡"
Liberals can't imagine structural change being anything other than a harbinger of evil
prodded along and mentored by Pro-CCP foreign agents, bots, and bad faith actors to create political divide and discord while also increasing support of the CCP and their immediate allies,
LMAO i fucking wish I had a "mentor"
Fuck these liberals, they can't conceive that people have genuine beliefs that aren't jackbooted liberalism.
We're pro-CPC because THEIR GOVERNMENT WORKS. It has been able to uplift it's people at record pace, and provide a standard of living in their most developed regions that far surpasses even those liberal nations that Western liberals put in high regard.
How is it "both sides"ing if Biden and Trump are practically the same fucking side?
Libs will prod you to get you to say shit like "both sides are bad" and then try to use the fact that you said that as some sort of own.
Like...yeah. the average person is clearly struggling under American leadership regardless of what party is in power. Both parties are full of people doing objectively bad things. Not gonna say "one side good" or concede ground to 99% Hitler vs 100% Hitler. Whats the difference on a macro level?
my man you are not in an armchair you are in a gaming chair writing bircherite screeds on a reddit clone
mentored by Pro-CCP foreign agents
lmao god I wish the universe in their heads was real
Can someone explain this to me?
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Hexbear either hates Biden as much as Trump or it hates Biden more than Trump, depending on which person you ask about the Hexbear spectre and on which day you ask them.
They usually agree that Hexbear is indistinguishable from Trump supporters.
They are seemingly in agreement that abstaining from voting does nothing but they are also seemingly in agreement that not voting is effective because it facilitates the victory for the side you oppose.
So if we are telling people not to vote then:
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It should be of no concern because it doesn't do anything
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It should be of no concern because (ostensibly) we support Trump and not Biden and when we tell one another on this site not to vote we would be making a Biden win more viable
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They also think this a credible threat to Biden's re-election because they're talking about how bad things would be if we "get our way" and Trump is elected
I just can't parse out how many conflicting and contradictory arguments are all getting jumbled into that conversation in that thread yet everyone seems to be nodding in agreement with eachother.
It's like a nightmare "Yes, and..." situation in there.
Ah, I think I know what's happened here. We often point out how voting for the "lesser evil" just results in the government becoming more evil over time. Liberal hate this, and don't want it to be true. So they assert that the opposite is true, that somehow, not voting is the thing that makes the government bad. If they view something as an insult, but don't understand it, they just adopt the "no u" attitutide towards that, and combine that with a healthy dose of repeating themselves enough times to make something become true. I think I might call this phenomenon "Dorothyism" after the wizard of Oz, they just repeat "They're the ones doing the bad thing, not me" over and over again, hoping it will return them back to Kansas.
yes, things have gotten worse, but if you think about it, none of the past elections have had 100% voter turnout, so clearly that's the reason
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I'm not even American. I just don't see how voting for a genocidal rabid dog that needs to be beaten with a stick in Biden is going to fix anything. Trump supporters are not going away, and nor are the conditions that created him and them. And internationally, the USA will continue to be the imperial hegemon no matter who is in charge.
Who is it historically who have been the more likely to cave to fascism? What ideology did Carl Schmitt write about as being a trojan horse into fascism? No, it's actually the people who don't wanna vote for genocide who are the people enableing fascism not the people who do. Man these liberals are fucking stupid.
