Took me a bit and I am a little drunk but here are the totals. We had a good showing.
Note: some comments got cut out because the server doesn't like displaying more than 300 from what I can tell. I did my best with what it would show, I just sorted them by new. This should be fairly representative of the currently active userbase. As an aside, I believe we did a similar survey a looong time ago, and we had only 33% of the active userbase as trans.
Random thoughts:
A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably. This isn't Harry Potter and I'm not a hat so I just went with what they were sounding more convinced of.
A lot of people are even cuter and don't understand how to follow instructions, though some of this is my fault. Made this a little harder to organize.
Some people were not cis and did not identify with the words 'transgender' or 'gender diverse'. If I ever do a trans/adjacent survey again, I think I will ask 'Are you cis?'
I may do a survey for queer people overall eventually, and the question will be 'Are you cishet?'
I would love to do more scientific, inclusive polling and have better and more questions and options, but we need some good secure polling tech for that, which we don't have. So I just have to ask simple questions and get a handful of answers.
Next time I will look into how feasible it is to post a couple of comments and get responders to upvote certain ones. This might fix the issue of the display of comments being limited.
Since some people have two sets of pronouns, both of their pronouns are included separately.
Since the poll was public, some marginalized groups probably shied away from answering. If we ever get a secure way to poll people, we would get more realistic estimates of the trans and cis women userbase.
#Tallies
Yes: 121
No: 137
Maybe: 37
Total: 295
If you think something is fucked, you can do it yourself, the thread is public. Hope you like pie! 
A lot of people were very very cute and confused and essentially asked me to decide their gender for them. Eggs? Probably.
UwU I just don't know... I'm totally cis but if someone were to tell me otherwise I guess I could go along with it...
Oh no, I hope they don't pick some cute gender for me
A-are they gonna make me change my pronouns on the bear site? That would be so...!
I would have been like this but I was largely away and did not have good answers
I think there being only one cis woman on the site comes down to cis women potentially not wanting to reveal that sort of information because men on the internet would inevitably be strange about it.
That said, there's probably only 5-10 more in hiding (if that, even).
It would be interesting to see other instances demographic surveys - have they ever done any?
I think this is entirely true, if pretty sad. Cisgender women I have been in online gaming communities with nearly always end up harassed at some point.
This is true for trans women too, but for different reasons.
How dare you suggest men on the Internet would not be extremely and incredibly normal
The site rules on anti-harassment immediately clarify you can still be "ribbed or grilled" and the definition of this seems completely open.
I was going to comment on the "No"'s who went out of their way to choose [any] or [they/them] pronouns, but this would make sense as a reason to choose those.
comes down to cis women potentially not wanting to reveal that sort of information
One could create an alt account specifically for answering the survey, but that's maybe a bit botherstinky.
ehh I feel like it's potentially the AFAB people on this site being much more open to different interpretations of gender. The "maybes" and the "nos" both have far more she/her pronouns than the "yes"
Wow this site is overwhelmingly AMAB. I knew AMAB people were the majority but I didn't expect it to be that much of a difference.
I guess that's because the site originated from a Reddit community. Would it be worth trying to recruit from more AFAB-dominated communities, like Tumblr or something?
Would it be worth trying to recruit from more AFAB-dominated communities, like Tumblr or something?
Conèche, we need diversity of perspective.
It would be tough, since our culture is mostly reddit and 4chan derived, there would probably be some rough culture clashes.
Trans-femme culture still has a lot of masculine tendencies and accepted behaviors because those people were exposed and normalized to (or operating in opposition of) cis-masc cultural norms. I like that the culture here is generally derived from trans-femme posters, but cis-femme (even leftist cis-femme) is another cultural animal, a different paradigm, entirely. A lot of things, like PPB, would probably have to be discarded.
It's a moderator decision for sure.
This is the weird reality of the internet. I've met far, far more trans men in real life than trans women but online it's the complete opposite. I have no idea why.
Big ups to trans men for being a lot less terminally online, lol
that's not the case for most of the ones i know at alllll 🙃
I've personally met more trans women IRL than trans men — but regarding your experience, I also feel like trans women are probably more likely to be closeted than trans men.
For some it might be personal shame, for others it's going to be survival strategies, for many it's going to be a bit of both. Women are disproportionately more likely to support trans rights while men are disproportionately more likely to oppose, and you can also generally count on women to not be actively violent and creepy in a way that you absolutely cannot count on with men. So I think that whichever is the predominant gender in your social group is going to affect the immediate consequences of your coming out, how many people around you are potentially dangerous and how large of a support network you can maintain after coming out — and whichever gender dominates your social group is oftentimes determined a lot more by how others see you than by how you see yourself.
This is obviously not to imply that coming out as a trans man has no consequences whatsoever, though.
it is sometimes easier to be openly transmasc than transfem irl (not that it is easy to be transmasc, but the pressures are very different)
I know more trans women, but most of the trans men are not terminally online in the same way that many of the trans women are. Just anecdotally
remember when those lemmy nerds were saying we were all faking being a trans inclusive space?
They'll probably pull the "look, there can't be that many, so that proves they're lying" bullshit.
You can't win with liberal transphobes
They probably going to use the small number of cis women as an excuse to say some TERF shit.
Oh god, I didn't think about that. I hate that you're probably right. Fucking TERFs
Shoutout to the token cis woman hiding ඞamong usඞ, whoever she is
She is reverse Ganondorf and is destined to rule us for 100 years until another ciswoman is born to us
Holy shit comrades, the real Haruhi Suzumiya just replied to me, I guess that means I really was an alien the whole time and those "you were born on the wrong planet" guys weren't lying
Got so much respect for the trans posters here, the depression I had growing up stemming from a comparatively light amount of alienation and isolation from my peers took an incredible amount of effort to climb out of, so it seems like an almost supernatural feat to me to be openly trans in these times.
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While I get I can't read gender by just asking "Are you trans?" and "Pronouns?", did we not find a single cis woman on this website?
This is an opt-in poll and lots of cis women probably opted not to self-identify, as someone else pointed out
We likely would see different results in an anonymous poll as well as with a poll that included lurkers
I am not cis but even a couple of years ago I would have opted not to self-identify. I imagine this is very common with cis women, too. The only reason I did now was because from my perspective we are beyond any amount of opsec saving me from potential bad actors interested on that front, so I might as well be forthright about it.
You see that tiny dark blue sliver, i think that’s the cis woman pop on the instance
Had this been polled a year or two ago I would have probably answered no. Maybe there are more like me in the maybe-department.
There is one person that said no and has She/Her pronouns: [REMOVED]
Hey just removing this just in case someone might get harassed. Like yeah this is the problem with public polls but let's try not to single anyone out
edit: fixed
Thanks for doing this, it's very interesting.
We have comparatively few transmen it seems. 3% of the"yes vote" use he/him pronouns, in comparison, 42.4% use she/her.
This is driven primarily by the source of the userbase here being reddit exiles. We have a low number of transmen because reddit has a low number of transmen.
I think also to a lesser extent transmen are often less radicalised than transwomen due to the focus of right wing attacks being far larger(quantity) against the latter.
This is driven primarily by the source of the userbase here being reddit exiles.
This is called an "evolutionary bottleneck" lmao
This is a great point, my mind went straight to "what are we doing to discourage afab people from being here" and while that should still be on our minds, the real answer is that reddit did it
should be noted some of the he/hims that voted yes also had other pronouns. not sure if theyre trans men or not, just a guess. blahaj also had a trans survey recently just for /c/trans
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which was similarly low. i think most of the trans man stuff is on twitter and tumblr
Yeah, but that also kinda applies for she/hers, look at me, for example. So it should hopefully not weight in too much.
Also most of the "No" people use he/him, she/her are not even shown on the graph.
all im getting is we need to find a fediverse tiktok/tumblr clone, make our own instances, and hook it into hexbear
Tumblr is already planning on integrating into the fediverse in the near future, and the Pixelfed people are working on a TikTok clone called Loops as we speak.
WE FUCKING DID IT
Even though the dataset & stuff is janky, very good results, not entirely surprising.The amount of gender confusion/questioning in that thread was very cute. Perhaps bugging cis people about their identity more would be productive?
HARDEN YOUR HEART O QIN HUANGDI
INCREASE YOUR ATTACKS SO CRUEL
SEND THEM ALL TO LIVE WITH ME
IN AN ENBY SAPPHIC POLYCULE
[CROWD GOES WILD]
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New version of the boomer grill meme but it's brisket and she says "I just wanna be grill"
I just wanna be grillLater, at Home Depot (i'm not american I don't know what people have there):
hello this is home depot what can I get you
I want these, these and these grill accessories That's a lot of grilling... Do you want propane?
Yes please! Here you go, happy grill time!
Thank you! Goodbye!
yeah, theres probably somewhere around 5-15 (and maybe very optimistically, 40-50 per week) daily active cis women based on the numbers here. def an issue that needs to be fixed, along with finding some transmascs. But this is also a public poll and a good number of people are less likely to answer things publicly, so the actual rates are somewhat skewed
to be frank i wouldnt be surprised if we had almost all the cis women on lemmy here, lol. a lot of the other instances do their damndest to run them off (re: even with alleged anti-misogyny rules, they get harassed a ton). i think we need to find a posting vanguard of cis women and trans mascs that lead the charge like how we've done with transfems. over time, by focusing on pronoun tech and building trans specific areas of the site, the trans pop has skyrocketed. just gotta find good ways to flesh that out for other groups. i recall @Othello@hexbear.net i think suggesting identifier emojis for poc people, and i figure just finding some trans mascs and putting them in charge of some communities will also go a long way to building up the trans masc pop. for cis women, im not so sure how to attract more, maybe we can analyze reddit womens communities and see what theyre interested in talking about and setting up specific spots of hexbear for those interests.
i figure just finding some trans mascs and putting them in charge of some communities will also go a long way to building up the trans masc pop
i can't speak for trans mascs, but a lot of the meme culture here is very trans fem and that might be so dominant that it's pushing other subgroups away.
founding empty comms is always kinda weird to me like i say on comm request sometimes, it's not a limited reseource but if folks aren't already here and talking about something they just fizzle out and the posts would've gained more traction in a bigger comm. i can't remember the last post i saw come through c/menby
Might just be they're quiet. The internet isn't kind to them. If we weren't so openly accepting of trans people I assume we would have a lot of trans women also being quiet. Being a woman on the internet kind of trains you to not let people know your gender if you don't want to be chased out of a place.
I ran the math and we have 0.82 definitely-cis women in this survey
the funny part is I'm pretty sure my math is right
everyone doing advanced levels of username analysis
Yeah!!
