• ChapoBapo [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    You're not allowed to LOOK AWAY from the screen? Would this be even slightly possible for ANYONE or do I have even worse ADHD than I thought?

    • sappho [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Looking in different directions is literally directly associated with memory recall. It's the concept that led to trauma therapies like EMDR and brain spotting. Also used as an interrogation tool as supposedly people look in different directions for recalling info vs. generating lies. It's literally insane to expect people to remember information for a test without looking around.

    • Shmyt [he/him,any]
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      4 years ago

      Gods help the people who need to look at their keyboard to type

  • Duo [any]
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    4 years ago

    Damn who actually cares this much. If teachers write a good test then students won't be able to cheat on it anyways. Also love the threat of having to buy the premium version of surveillance software.

    • lvysaur [he/him]
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      Just stop testing altogether. It's mostly useless

      And before anyone accuses me of jealousy, I'm saying this as a person who always aced tests by cramming the night before, while taking 0 notes, sleeping in class and never turning in homework. If I can do that they're clearly not very useful. You learn much more by doing projects and homework.

      Tests can maybe gauge how well-stuck everything is in the emotional recall part of your brain. Maybe have them, but let them be 20% of the total grade maximum. Any more is dumb because they can easily be gamed by cramming--and keeping the % low disincentivizes people to cram for the test. They should also be administered at random unannounced times, so they truly serve their purpose.

      A lot of people think of high test-scorers as "lazy but smart" but the truth is that many of us just crammed, it's like everyone else is running a marathon, we just sit around doing nothing and when the video camera (aka the exam) comes, we start sprinting for 20 seconds to look good.

      Lectures are also extremely overrated because it's impossible to keep pace with everything said, and to get all your questions answered. 1-on-1 sessions with professors is really the only only useful part of teaching.

      Also if I can cheat on your test, your test sucks

      • hexaflexagonbear [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        1-on-1 sessions with professors is really the only only useful part of teaching.

        Any university that has the resources to this may as well replace written exams with oral ones. They're hard to cram for and typically it's much easier to gauge understanding when the instructor can ask follow up questions. My preferred testing method for a final exam is an independent small research project, with a written component, an oral presentation, and follow up questions by the instructor. I've never seen this in anything but graduate courses, primarily due to class sizes, but also a typical undergrad cohort's breadth of knowledge isn't exactly large enough to implement practically for 1st and 2nd year courses. Worth mentioning that Italy and, I think, Russia tend to do oral exams in undergraduate, and grad students from those places tend to think it was a great way to be tested.

      • itsPina [he/him, she/her]
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        4 years ago

        I disagree on the lecture part. A good professor budgets in (and encourages) questions to make sure everyone understands the material. Tests are indeed incredibly easy to cram and cheat on. I crammed all of my HS and college math tests and passed every one of them. I remember literally zero of it.

        • Superduperthx [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I wish my math cramming abilities had lasted into college, I burned out by sophomore year.

    • MiraculousMM [he/him, any]
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      This also reminds me of this UCF professor's cheating lecture to his business class. Basically, all the midterm exam questions were taken from a test bank and some students got ahold of that bank and used it to study. This is after he'd previously claimed he writes all the questions himself.

      He then tries to claim he and his assistants had used "statistical forensic analysis" to determine with like 95% accuracy exactly who cheated, and if they didn't come forward within 7 days they would be expelled (obviously bullshit). Also claims he reached out to the test bank publisher about it and they were "contacting the authorities" lmao

    • determinism [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/My_Pedagogic_Creed

      I believe that all questions of the grading of the child and his promotion should be determined by reference to the same standard. Examinations are of use only so far as they test the child's fitness for social life and reveal the place in which he can be of the most service and where he can receive the most help.

      Please excuse the gendered language.

      Noam Chomsky and Michael Brooks both attended Deweyite schools in their youth. There might be something to it.

  • Irockasingranite [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    This is what happens when you try to squeeze IRL teaching methods like written exams into a paradigm of online teaching.

    Written exams aren't the norm for in-person teaching because they're particularly good at testing ability, they're the norm because they're easy to administer. In an online setting they are functionally impossible to administer, so guess what? Find a different way to grade students.

    Make them write a paper. A detailed lab report. Work on a project. If your written test is already just one of several components for grading, just fucking skip it. That's what I did last semester.

    If you really want to stick to the "you have x minutes to complete this task" formula, make it an open book (open browser) exam. If you can't come up with problems that aren't trivialized by access to a pc or the internet, your course probably doesn't teach anything worthwhile in the first place.

    • KiaKaha [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      If you can’t come up with problems that aren’t trivialized by access to a pc or the internet, your course probably doesn’t teach anything worthwhile in the first place.

      About as useful as making fire with two sticks is to a man with a lighter.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Anyone with a laptop does, and most college students have laptops.

      At this point I'm glad I dropped out.

    • WoofWoof91 [comrade/them]
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      It records the computer screen while you take the exam to ensure you don’t look anything up.

      the temptation to immediately put on the most depraved furry porn would be too great for me

      you have to slowly move your camera/computer around so it is able to record that your workspace and nearby areas are completely free of any materials which could be used to cheat.

      big fuckoff dildo prominently displayed

      i am realising that I would not do well at distance learning

        • Melon [she/her,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          yeah it would be impossible to search up every relevant detail and feign sufficient comprehension in a timed test like that, no oversight needed

                • Melon [she/her,they/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  yeah that is a nice comment

                  My cat hates children. There is a child in my house and my cat shits in front of their bedroom door semi-regularly. We confirmed that was the reason because we have temporarily moved the kitty litter in front of the door to the room, and my cat still shits outside of it and on the floor. Needless to say, other human residents in the house have not appreciated this part of kitty :(

    • ChapoBapo [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I did not want to be super angry, and yet I read, and am

  • gayhobbes [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Tests are just meant to see if you understood the fucking material. This is all fucking fascist shit for no good reason.

    • Chapo0114 [comrade/them, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      My favorite professor allowed open book, open notes tests. He tested comprehension, not memorization. Shits like this aren't even just controlling, but also bad teachers.

      • xiaoping_showdown [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Some of the hardest exams ever are open book. Difficulty is a matter of designing good questions.

  • joshieecs [he/him,any]
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    4 years ago

    What is the hell is going on. There has been online and pre-online home school cirriculums around for ages. Why are "real" teachers having such a hard time.

    • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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      4 years ago

      College Professors don't have any sort of mandatory training in pedagogy. Subject matter expert = Qualified teacher no questions asked.

      • Multihedra [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        And, as with all organizations, the goal is to keep the system rolling along with as little energy expenditure as possible. So even if you have people who are interested in changing the horrible status quo that they’ve been handed (ie, new teachers, although certainly not all of them), there is no incentive to do so and probably no or a very weak apparatus to support them

        • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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          4 years ago

          The incentive and apparatus actually very much work against being a decent teacher, atleast with any mixed assignment (teaching + research faculty). For those sorts of faculty, the issue of paramount importance is bringing grant money in, followed a ways by producing research paper output, and only the most perfunctory of teaching.

          Spending a lot of time to improve your teaching at the expense of research+grants will absolutely torpedo your tenure changes.