I'm always down for some Indiana Jones, but....not like this.
He looked pretty old when my mate saw him fall off his bike in Newcaslte during filming so the tech can't be that impressive.
But why do they need to digitally de-age someone. Isn't that more expensive than hiring a younger actor to whom someone will say, "Ah Jones here you are." Like fucking Robert De Niro played younger Don Corleone in the Godfather and it was great. Do they think people are stupid? I mean yeah probably. But it still sucks. The language of cinema allows you to very quickly go along with the fact that now this actor is playing a younger version of that one, and there is absolutely no problem storywise. Irishman was ruined for me because of this, I couldn't watch a 79 years old digitally de-aged actor throwing punches like he's 40. It's ruining the fucking movie and overall the experience.
It prevents new actors from being minted.
When the old actor dies, you can keep making things with his likeness, without the associated paycheque or PR gaffes.
I tried to watch The Irishman a few months back. I love Scorsese's mob movies so I figured I'd love this one too. But the de-aging just didn't work. I had no idea how old the characters were supposed to be in any given scene. There's a few times when Pesci's character calls De Niro's character a kid, and at my most charitable both men looked to be a hard-lived 45.
I can't believe this'll turn out any better. After the trainwreck that is Crystal Skull they should have allowed the franchise to die. Or, better yet, never make Crystal Skull and end the franchise on the high note that is Last Crusade. If they have to make an Indiana Jones 5 and don't want to recast the character (and, imo they shouldn't. Harrison Ford is Indiana Jones just as much as he is Han Solo. Recasting Han in Solo didn't work, could never have worked, because there is but one Harrison Ford and he is an old man) then they should simply write a movie around the fact that Ford is a very very old man and there's nothing you can do about that. Indeed, such a limitation might prove creatively stimulating, maybe take the franchise to entirely new waters, asking artistically meaningful questions. Yeah, right, as if the creative geniuses they have to make Indiana Jones 5 would dare to do anything even slightly as risky as trying to make something meaningful. I bet the latest Halloween movie has more substance than whatever Lucasfilm churns out here.
Recasting Han in Solo didn’t work
Gotta disagree with you, I think Solo was pretty convincing and that recasting actors in general is fine and they should do it more instead of pushing these eighty year olds to keep playing roles from their twenties and thirties. Solo flopped because it released less than a year after the much-reviled Last Jedi when enthusiasm for Star Wars was in the pits.
lmao I actually kinda like TLJ but that doesn't mean I'm blind to how it was recieved
Looking back the number one complaint about The Force Awakens was that it was a rehash of A New Hope, so I think for Rian Johnson "subverting expectations" made sense at the time. Unfortunately for him adult children don't actually want a movie that challenges them, they want a movie that shows them things they've already seen before in slightly different contexts.
After the trainwreck that is Crystal Skull they should have allowed the franchise to die. Or, better yet, never make Crystal Skull and end the franchise on the high note that is Last Crusade.
I don't see anything fundamentally wrong with turning Indiana Jones into an American James Bond. Substitute Ford for another younger actor and have him go on a functionally independent adventure every few years.
The theme of the narrative - adventurous modern academic plumbs international conspiracy to discover ancient magic - can and has been done successfully across numerous franchises. Everything from The Mummy to National Treasure could easily have been written as an Indiana Jones movie.
But the need to keep dragging out these old fossil actors is baffling. There's no shortage of young talent and no reason to spend a fortune on post edit making old people look young again.
de-aging cgi cant hide that someone moves like a 76 year old. They should have done what Once Upon A Time In New York, Back to the Future, and Prometheus did: put young actors in old age make up.
I disagree with the notion that Harrison Ford needs to play Indiana Jones. Ford was imitating adventure serial Guys from the 30s and 40s and if you've seen anything like that, he isn't doing anything that different with it. He's a hat and a whip, you could easily get someone.
Why not just doing a plot with Oldiana? Like the James Bond dude that played Indiana's dad but now him and a new character like in the Glass Skull (I didn't watch it).
Can't do that, we need to continue nostalgia mining :porky-happy:
new character like in the Glass Skull (I didn’t watch it)
Theres no way they will bring back Shia Labouf and the Crystal Skull sucked anyway, they should have ended with the Last Crusade, that movie was really good
It's too bad that Crystal Skull sucked. Shia wasn't the reason that movie was bad, it was bad because it had bad writing and direction.
I think they are (????) and this is for a flashback?
Side note when can we just accept we all secretly want animation, its the same thing. Just animate the characters.
:this:
Maybe we'll get an Anime anthology out of it like we did for the Matrix, Star Wars, and Batman.
So the article says he's going to be fighting Operation Paperclip Nazis including a knockoff Von Braun. Anyone wanna bet they'll shoehorn evil commies in somehow? Maybe something along the lines of "The Evul Soviets took nazis too!"? Or will it be even more :brainworms: than that?
Paperclip was pretty vanilla, just rocketry. The real evil were the Gehlen Organization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehlen_Organization
Operation Paperclip Nazis
God there's just that 1% chance they let it be based
lol, they were definitely planning on him dying so they could just out-and-out CGI him :flattened-bernie:
They recast Mon Mothma in Andor and Indy has been at least 4 actors in the movies and YIJ, so what is their fucking issue!?
I'm all for 40's / 50's pulp adventuring - shit like this and Doc Savage are dynamite to me - i'm pretty blown out by Space Shooty War and Comic Battle Exploding Pantomime guff now. But no more Ford, for the love of Christ. As someone said, turn it into a James Bond affair - pull in new actors and just go fucking nuts.
tbh if the plan is to pump out this movie, kill indiana, and have phoebe waller-bridge go on pulp adventures instead... that'd be alright. I'm not a big indiana jones lover or anything, but I kinda just want adventure films back and phoebe is good
You know he's going to die in this one. An actor reluctantly returns to the franchise they are tired of doing? Dump truck of money and they get a dramatic death scene. Actors love them.
Something new is a risky and business must be risk adverse. But established IP has brand recognition, it is easy to market and understand.
The falling rate of profit effects films too. Takes 100 million dollars to make movies at that scale for the kind of return they want. 100 million used to be what studios wanted to make with a HIT! So they stick with safe ip, shit people will see even if it sucks like Star Wars and Marvel
There is an old rule of thumb from the Studio System days called Balabans Law that says a film has to make back three times its negative cost to break even, Matt Damon says in this video that an executive has told him it is now more like four times its cost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF6K2IxC9O8 - so a hundred million dollar film has to make back 300 or 400 million before you make a profit. And to do that you need to get as many people to see it as possible, and to do that it cant be complex or strange or difficult or challenging or controversial it has to be very safe and simple and broadly appealing.
The fifth “Indiana Jones” movie comes at a time when Disney and Lucasfilm are hoping to revive the franchise in more ways than one. Variety exclusively reported earlier this month that Disney is actively looking to develop an Indiana Jones TV show for Disney+. The Mouse House and Lucasfilm have been bringing up the possibility of a streaming show set in the world of the globe trotting archaeologist in general meetings with writers of late.
Disney will release “Indiana Jones 5” in theaters nationwide on June 30, 2023.
an Indiana Jones TV show
they already did this!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Indiana_Jones_Chronicles
Shia the Beef aged and then de-aged to look like his maybe younger self from the Mirror Universe. Money please, Disney!
I am not ready for the internet to consider Kingdom of the Crystal Skull good
I already started hearing whispers around the time this project got announced. It's gonna happen. Prepare yourself. Every "what fourth indiana jones movie?" joke will legally be changed to a statement about how it's an underrated gem.
Kids growing up to praise the dogshit movies that came out when you were younger is the price of surviving to old age
