I disagree. I happen to find “death to America” very satisfying because I know how your typical white American would react to hearing it. Probably call the cops on you just for saying it.
Despite being here since pretty much day one I think I've missed basically every single struggle session. Or more accurately I see hundreds of comments on some thread that's obviously a struggle session and usually just keep walking.
this was the original post that started it all: https://hexbear.net/post/20124 (i deserve to be beaten in the streets for being able to remember this exact post from 4 years ago)
half the comments have been deleted () but this chain specifically is a great representation of both sides & gives insight as to why it became a week long site-wide argument across multiple posts that is still brought up from time to time.
here's one revival of that struggle session, a year later: https://hexbear.net/post/116072
Not really - the two camps in the discussion were basically "jokes about genocide are always bad" and "white genocide isn't real". As a bleach demon myself I more fall into the second group: unless there is actually the preposterously unlikely cultural flip that leaves white people systemically oppressed I will continue making "jokes" - that is, comic exaggerations of my feelings towards the west - about us receiving the treatment we've inflicted on the world.
well im just one guy but i gotta say i do think it's very distasteful and it makes me think less of every person i see saying it. genocide isn't a joke and isn't something to take lightly, and it is never a good thing.
Unfortunately that is no longer true. Every country the US doesn't like is accused of doing a genocide so that the word really has lost all meaning. Meanwhile the US is doing a new genocide ever other year and we aren't allowed to say it. Nah. The only way the word can have meaning is of we use it to describe blowing up fast food dispensatories
False genocide accusations don't make joking about genocide more acceptable. Real people are suffering through genocides right now, some of whom have accounts on this website. It's some serious first-worlder shit to say "oh but nobody actually means genocide haha could you imagine"
Sorry, can you please clarify what is no longer true? It's no longer true that genocide isn't a joke? It's no longer true that genocide isn't something to take lightly? It's no longer true that genocide is never a good thing? Please, set aside the irony poisoning for a second and try to justify any of these statements without sounding like a fascist.
The point is that accusations of genocide are frequently bullshit, and when the topic is treated as sacrosanct it allows people to abuse it by attaching their bullshit lies and propaganda to the word. Most people on this website have been or would be accused of genocide denial for our stances on the "Uighur genocide," and pearl clutching facilitates people not looking at the evidence critically. If you want to engage in every accusation seriously and in good faith, no matter how unreasonable it is, then you do you, but responding with over-the-top sarcastic/ironic acceptance of accusations is a common tactic around here. It's why we have a clock telling us what time it is in Moscow, for instance.
Couldn't you say the same thing about the mass rape accusations under the USSR? I genuinely don't see how your line of reasoning excuses genocide jokes but not rape jokes, which we all agree are horrible and tasteless.
I love "death to amerikkka", I usually pronounce the 'kkk' for extra fun. I do get mileage out of variants of " another ___ down, unlimited ___ on the ___" as well.
I do fuck with the desire for the dissolution of our illegitimate colonial states. I also fuck with the desire to bully , but genocide wouldn't be involved soooo...
The genocide part feels kinda sketch, mostly because of how much white supremacists control the internet and use ironic signifiers to express hate. If a random Instagram or X account said the phrase, I’d assume they were making light of the genocide of native Americans and/or wishing genocide on other marginalized groups in the west cause ´muh great replacement.´
Death to America rolls off the tongue better. It’s a classic, no need for remakes.
The genocide part feels edgy imo, in fact the whole first phrase is funny but just that, funny. Death to America has weight to it, it is targeted at the nation state not a broad first world. It also has all those ties to Iran.
I disagree. I happen to find “death to America” very satisfying because I know how your typical white American would react to hearing it. Probably call the cops on you just for saying it.
Like how recently some protestors in Michigan said "death to America" because of the genocide and the news clutched pearls so hard about it.
https://michiganadvance.com/2024/04/19/michigan-congressional-republicans-call-for-investigation-into-death-to-america-chants/
Wait ? Did that really happen. was there a strugglesesh? Im still allowed to commit mayocide though right ?
It was the funniest struggle sesh we've had so far https://hexbear.net/post/1302679
How do I keep missing these
Despite being here since pretty much day one I think I've missed basically every single struggle session. Or more accurately I see hundreds of comments on some thread that's obviously a struggle session and usually just keep walking.
You're doing yourself a favor.
I've missed most of them. Except the outdoor cats one. I definitely remember that shit
Wait I want to see the cat debate. Link pls
this was the original post that started it all: https://hexbear.net/post/20124 (i deserve to be beaten in the streets for being able to remember this exact post from 4 years ago)
half the comments have been deleted (
) but this chain specifically is a great representation of both sides & gives insight as to why it became a week long site-wide argument across multiple posts that is still brought up from time to time.
here's one revival of that struggle session, a year later: https://hexbear.net/post/116072
It's been years, I'd have to really dig to get to it so maybe another time.
But its why we have this emoji:
Was there a final verdict so to speak ? ...
Not really - the two camps in the discussion were basically "jokes about genocide are always bad" and "white genocide isn't real". As a bleach demon myself I more fall into the second group: unless there is actually the preposterously unlikely cultural flip that leaves white people systemically oppressed I will continue making "jokes" - that is, comic exaggerations of my feelings towards the west - about us receiving the treatment we've inflicted on the world.
well im just one guy but i gotta say i do think it's very distasteful and it makes me think less of every person i see saying it. genocide isn't a joke and isn't something to take lightly, and it is never a good thing.
Unfortunately that is no longer true. Every country the US doesn't like is accused of doing a genocide so that the word really has lost all meaning. Meanwhile the US is doing a new genocide ever other year and we aren't allowed to say it. Nah. The only way the word can have meaning is of we use it to describe blowing up fast food dispensatories
False genocide accusations don't make joking about genocide more acceptable. Real people are suffering through genocides right now, some of whom have accounts on this website. It's some serious first-worlder shit to say "oh but nobody actually means genocide haha could you imagine"
It's a horribly incoherent position to say both:
Sorry, can you please clarify what is no longer true? It's no longer true that genocide isn't a joke? It's no longer true that genocide isn't something to take lightly? It's no longer true that genocide is never a good thing? Please, set aside the irony poisoning for a second and try to justify any of these statements without sounding like a fascist.
The point is that accusations of genocide are frequently bullshit, and when the topic is treated as sacrosanct it allows people to abuse it by attaching their bullshit lies and propaganda to the word. Most people on this website have been or would be accused of genocide denial for our stances on the "Uighur genocide," and pearl clutching facilitates people not looking at the evidence critically. If you want to engage in every accusation seriously and in good faith, no matter how unreasonable it is, then you do you, but responding with over-the-top sarcastic/ironic acceptance of accusations is a common tactic around here. It's why we have a clock telling us what time it is in Moscow, for instance.
CW for sexual assault on this whole post:
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Couldn't you say the same thing about the mass rape accusations under the USSR? I genuinely don't see how your line of reasoning excuses genocide jokes but not rape jokes, which we all agree are horrible and tasteless.
I remember that sesh. I feel like I should get a sort of boy-scout badge for that.
??? didn’t get that memo
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Big beautiful struggle session a while ago :)
How about limited genocide on the first world?
I NEVER STOPPED
UNLIMITED
i didn't stop and i was never scolded because I didn't engage with the post you're referring to. skill issue
Hexbears wanting a little genocide, as a treat
I love "death to amerikkka", I usually pronounce the 'kkk' for extra fun. I do get mileage out of variants of " another ___ down, unlimited ___ on the ___" as well.
I'm just looking for the least problematic way to express my desire for hellfire to rain upon my community
I do fuck with the desire for the dissolution of our illegitimate colonial states. I also fuck with the desire to bully
, but genocide wouldn't be involved soooo...
I like to be as incendiary as humanly possible
My goal is to trigger the chuds, what do you mean you have to get normal people to take socialism seriously if you want to actually do it?
Yeah that’s about an accurate read. Hell, I was never gonna accomplish anything and I have basically nothing but contempt for
normal people anyhow
The genocide part feels kinda sketch, mostly because of how much white supremacists control the internet and use ironic signifiers to express hate. If a random Instagram or X account said the phrase, I’d assume they were making light of the genocide of native Americans and/or wishing genocide on other marginalized groups in the west cause ´muh great replacement.´
Death to America rolls off the tongue better. It’s a classic, no need for remakes.
Do we really want unlimited genocide?
The correct answer is "death to America, of course, but..."
The genocide part feels edgy imo, in fact the whole first phrase is funny but just that, funny. Death to America has weight to it, it is targeted at the nation state not a broad first world. It also has all those ties to Iran.