May Alan Greenspan also be killed in a duel
Alexander Hamilton was a parasite. Lin Manuel Miranda is a parasite. His dad was, IIRC, key to the privatization of Puerto Rico's power. Mystery solved.
Wow, what a monster for helping poor people get power. Pretty classist of you tbh
Half the time I see you I’m filled with instant rage and go “How the fuck could someone on this site believe that” and then read the username lmao
My guy saw 1776 in the 4th grade and said "White people will love this if I remake it with rap music"
It's not really rap music it's like the bare minimum. It's like rhyming musical theater
It's only rap if it comes from the __________ region of France, otherwise it's just rhyming musical theater.
I had to blank out the name of the region for privacy concerns, not because I couldn't think of a joke. The citizens of that unnamed region of France are entitled to some peace.
The Dollop did a three-parter on Aaron Burr that was a pretty great contrast with Hamilton.
Also, The Good Lord Bird already exists and it was very good.
imagine in like 2110 someone makes a rap musical about Alan Greenspan
Thanks to ChatGPT, we don't have to wait until 2110. Hell, we don't even have to wait until the end of the day.
I like that Aaron Burr is the socialist hero, despite owning slaves.
Under communism rap will lose its technical/logistical advantage over other genres, because if your community theatre group can't afford an orchestra, you can apply for a government-funded orchestra subsidy.
I made it do a rap battle of the era, I’ll report myself to the gulag:
(Verse 1: John Oliver)
I've done some digging and the evidence is clear
Alan Greenspan had ties to Epstein, that much is clear
They were members of the same exclusive clubs
And Greenspan even flew on Epstein's plane, it's time for him to come clean and fess up
(Chorus: John Oliver and Bari Weiss)
Alan Greenspan, what's the deal?
Did you really have no part in Epstein's wheel?
Alan Greenspan, tell us the truth
Did you have ties to that sleazy dude?
(Verse 2: Bari Weiss)
I understand your skepticism, but let's not be hasty
Greenspan has always been a man of integrity, that's a fact, see
He may have associated with Epstein, but that's no crime
Let's not jump to conclusions, let's give him the benefit of the doubt this time
(Chorus: John Oliver and Bari Weiss)
Alan Greenspan, what's the deal?
Did you really have no part in Epstein's wheel?
Alan Greenspan, tell us the truth
Did you have ties to that sleazy dude?
(Verse 3: John Oliver)
I'm not saying he's guilty of anything
But it's clear that he was part of Epstein's inner circle, that's a fact, king
He can't deny that he flew on Epstein's plane
And now he's trying to distance himself, it's all just a game
(Chorus: John Oliver and Bari Weiss)
Alan Greenspan, what's the deal?
Did you really have no part in Epstein's wheel?
Alan Greenspan, tell us the truth
Did you have ties to that sleazy dude?
(Bridge: Bari Weiss)
Greenspan is a man of great renown
He's been a leader in the field of economics, that's no joke
Let's not tarnish his legacy with baseless accusations
There may be some association, but that doesn't mean he's guilty of anything, only speculation
(Chorus: John Oliver and Bari Weiss)
Alan Greenspan, what's the deal?
Did you really have no part in Epstein's wheel?
Alan Greenspan, tell us the truth
Did you have ties to that sleazy dude?
Furiously feeding this into a pirated copy of Plogue Alter Ego in Marie Ork mode
I've seen Hamilton heads defend it by leaning on Alexander Hamilton's """immigrant roots""" (his upbringing in a different British colony) and how that is a good enough reason to like the rest of the play
Miranda really leans hard on Hamilton's early life and just kinda breezes over the back end of it. I definitely get why a young migrant social climber from the Caribbean would resonate with Miranda. And given how hard conservatives jerk off to Thomas Jefferson, I see some reflexive appeal in liberals rallying around Jefferson's historical nemesis.
As propaganda, "Hamilton" is excellent. It has become a beautiful reimagining of the nation's tortured and shameful history, with a mix of romance and gallantry and tragedy that would fit neatly in any Western Fairy Tale. Blackwashing the cast while our first black president puts an ethnic face on historically white imperialism really captured the national moment. Galvenizing support for the Original Bankster in the wake of the '08 Financial Crisis wins Miranda immense favor among modern day capitalists. Jerking New Yorkers off with a Broadway musical was... :chefs-kiss: Really playing to your audience.
slaps the hood of the play You can fit so much fucking revisionism in this bad boy.
That, plus good acting and catchy music and enormous amounts of advertising make it an easy sell to an audience of liberals looking for something to cheer about. It fits neatly into the orthodox education of America's Founding Fathers, hooks you with a name you know but aren't exhaustively familiar with, and then sells you down the river on heavily romanticized drama.
If you're looking for neoliberal agitprop, you're going to be hard pressed to locate anything finer.
Beautifully said. I would say the Trump years gave it staying power for liberals, especially with the "call out" of mike pence at one of the shows.
It’s so infuriating. If he was an immigrant so am I for moving from one US state to another
I really like musical theatre, I also into rap. Hamilton managed to be the worst of both, I tapped out at the end of the first act.
Hamilton managed to be the worst of both
I hear this regularly. I'm not seeing any evidence of it, beyond the knee-jerk "Miranda's politics suck" crowd. His songs are easily as catchy as anything a Disney movie would pump out. They're emotionally moving, technically clever, and they clearly draw an audience. If its not your thing, that's cool. But its purely contrarianism to point at The Big Popular Thing and say "Uh, everything about this is bad, aktuly".
People with shitty politics can make good art. Just look at Kanye.
Never in a million fucking years thought I would see anyone defend Hamilton here
The politics are absolute shit. But the production is good.
At some point, complaining about the camera work of "Triumph of the Will" is baby-brained.
And if the production was bad it wouldn’t be nearly as powerful as propaganda
I think it's a relevant point to make. Not as an effort to convince someone that they should actually change their mind about Hamilton, but rather to have a more realistic understanding of how shitty ideology is transmitted and maintains longevity
I'm honestly not trying to be contrarian, I went into it expecting to like it despite all the hate it got. Maybe it was just that it was so far from the genre of rap I normally listen to. The pacing of the songs/story come off as weird to me too. The stage performance was on par though.
Its definitely more of a 1980s School House Rap than 2020s Sound Cloud Rap. But half the lyrics of "My Shot" could easily end up in a Drake album. The themes of love and ambition and violence cut across the genre. Nobody is going to confuse the rhythm or pacing of a song from Hamilton with Wicked or My Fair Lady.
As a musical category, its rap. And if we're using "what people enjoy listening to" as a gauge of quality, its good.
people in the u.s. like a hagiography about one of their OG daddies
it must be good!
I enjoy Scroobius Pip and Tech N9ne so yeah drake isn't exactly what I'm looking for, My Shot though I did like. I guess I was expecting more on the rock side of rap then the disney side being people were talking about Hamilton like it was the next Le Mis not The Lion King.
I mean, I never really got the appeal of Le Mis, so... shrug. And I'll happily admit there was a bunch of romantic filler which sounds - at best - like R&B.
But, like, anyone who says "Washington on your Side" isn't quality rap music... I mean, come on. If someone had done a Stalin/Trotsky play with this kind of music, Hexbear would be all over it.
Not sure I heard that one was it in the second act? I'll give it a listen, I'm always willing to have my mind changed.
I agree with you and I hate Hamilton with a burning passion and want to personally throw Lin-Manuel Miranda off of a high ledge
Lin Manuel Miranda didn't go "He is just like me for real". He read the Ron Chernow book and thought there was a fascinating life in there (which there is). The problem with Lin was that he whited washed his fucking image.
At the same time colorwashing everyone who was very white by having non-white actors.
Based on no evidence I just assumed the banks financed it as post-2008 PR for finance
Hamilton the musical skipped over why towards the end Hamilton was HATED. He fucked over paying soldiers, caused a farm rebellion via stupid taxes and some other bullshit.
The most important thing about the musical is the fact it exists at all. Anything can become a musical
I don't know who that user is but someone please take the lathe away from them
Bloomfilters has been proven to have access to the lathe in the past, unfortunately
May Alan Greenspan also be killed in a duel
The farce of this passing is that he won't be
If you enjoy hate-watching things, The Dollop released a watch-along commentary which is very funny
lin manuel miranda is also a bad Lee Scoresby gott dang it he's supposed to be TEXAN and TOUGH and he's NEITHER
He sucked!!! And now he was cast as Hermes in the Disney Percy Jackson and I saw people being like “Oh well he was good as Lee Scoresby!” and I was so confused why anyone would think that
