• KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    What do you think the odds are the US actually goes along with it for some ill-conceived reason, signaling to compradors everywhere that the US no longer even nominally has their back once they stop being useful and thus undermining the American imperial project even further?

    • TylenolJones [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      .01%

      Same reason the feds won’t prosecute Trump, they don’t want to set a precedent for this.

      • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I think the odds are a little higher in that the US never seemed to have Bolsonaro's back to begin with. I still don't quite understand why, but if Bolsonaro was their guy, either this coup would have succeeded, or (realistically) it wouldn't have been necessary in the first place because they would have just fixed the election. If I had to guess, I think the US probably wants to keep friendly relations with Brazil to prevent it from sliding exclusively into China's corner diplomatically. It still probably won't happen, but Bolsonaro is practically useless to them.

          • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            And Biden condemned the coup attempt pretty fast. I definitely think there will be an extradition, maybe some deal in exchange for Bolsonaro.

        • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]
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          2 years ago

          I don't think it's that easy to "just fix the election". There are a lot of people involved in that stuff, especially in a huge country like Brazil. A small, principled minority of people going "Wtf no we won't go along with this" would be enough to cause an international scandal if you tried to do that, and you can't just murk everyone involved.

          In general I think people here overestimate the power of the establishment in that regard. Their plans to install Jeanine Áñez in Bolivia failed, same with :guaido: in Venezuela, and we don't know how many of their plans didn't even get that far. Don't get me wrong, the CIA and the US gov have a lot of power and influence, but they're not omnipotent puppet masters. There's way, way too many moving parts and potential points of failure.

          I think Bolsonaro was their guy, but they looked at the situation in Brazil and decided there was nothing they could realistically do.

        • familiar [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Also that Bolsonaro is more the guy of the national bourgeoisie, so a bulk of the boug (the international boug) aren't really into him. Goes for Trump a bit, but to a much lesser extent cause he can get away with more cause he's so deep in the imperial core.

        • NewsEnjoyer [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          China, and also Russia. BRICS is coalescing into a real economic and geopolitical bloc and the US knows anything too extreme at this moment could tip Brazil into the camp of Russia and China

  • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    When Bolsonaro gets cuffed, his arm will somehow fall off

  • TerminalEncounter [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    I'm pretty sure he arrived on a diplomatic visa, but... he's no longer a member of the diplomatic team or state at all so wtf? Does he just get to stay in the US lol, that'd be a hilarious loophole.

    • Judge_Juche [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      Some White House spokesperson said that the visa he's on is only valid for 30 days anyway. Don't know if they will extradite him but he didn't make many friends in the Biden administration vocally supporting Jan 6 and then doing his own Jan 6.

      • CTHlurker [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Would it be the funnier if he gets deported by ICE, or if he gets picked up by some local florida cop who's never even heard of him before?

  • SerLava [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I typed the whole document up into Google Translate. The language is very plain and straightforward and I know 90% of the words because of the similarity to Italian, so it looks to me like a pretty darn accurate translation:

    To the Honorable Mr. Mauro Vieira

    Minister of Foreign Affairs

    Esplanada dos Ministerios, Bloco H, Palacio Itamaraty - Brasilia, DF

    Adoption of measures for the extradition of Mr Jair Messias Bolsonaro and Mr Anderson Torres, for the instruction of inquiries 4.874 and 4.879 in progress at the Federal Supreme Court.

    Your Excellency Minister,

    I respectfully address your Excellency as an elected federal deputy, in view of the serious events and attacks on the Powers of the Federative Republic of Brazil that occurred on December 12, 2022 and on January 8, 2023, I hereby request this Ministry to adopt the Appropriate measures for the submission of a request for the extradition of Mr Jair Messias Bolsonaro, former President of the Republic, who is currently in the United States, for the filing of Inquiries 4.874 and 4.879 pending before the Federal Supreme Court, on the following grounds:

    Of the serious events and attacks on the Powers of the Federative Republic of Brazil

    01.   On January 8, 2023, a group of thousands of Bolsonarist extremists marched through the Esplanada dos Ministerios and attacked the building of the National Congress, the Federal Supreme Court and the Palace of Planalto, destroying the structure of the buildings, the furniture of the buildings and vandalizing works of art and documents of enormous cultural and historical relevance in the country.

    02.   The march, which culminated in indiscriminate violence against public property and against the democratic constitutional order, was planned by extreme groups with the aim of questioning the legitimacy of the recently elected government of Luis Inacio Lula da Silva, while at the same time reaffirming support for former President Jair Bolsonaro.