We're at a bodybuilding group and a guy said he was against trans bans because itd make getting steroids harder and nearly all the dude bros there agreed
My friends who love the gym see it as another form of gender affirmation
:live-tucker-reaction: Think wokeism can't get any worse? Think again. Bodybuilders have gone woke. This once mighty American tradition of celebrating masculinity is now turning into a celebration of blue hair. It use to be strong men would let out a deep, guttural grunt that made you feel small and protected, now they grunt out their pronouns.
What is going on?
Because of the Democrats, men are no longer allowed to be strong enough to carry you up a flight of stairs and throw you on a bed unless they take a college course in feminism. Even worse, now they say women should be strong enough to lift you. What's happening? Why aren't I attracted to women anymore?
What’s happening? Why aren’t I attracted to women anymore?
LMAO
Anecdote evidence: I made friends with some bigass wrestlers in high-school. Nobody fucked with me after that. I was already friends with some skinny skater punks who were down to fight.
But those big wrestlers were total teddy bear types. Really sweet dudes. They played video games like final fantasy 7 to help cut weight while fasting. But you knew if push came to shove they'd wreck.
The nerd dudes were weird about women. Some were okay. The others called them b****** behind their backs. A lot more toxicity going on in that scene.
You have to get the dialectical synthesis for best results. In middle school, after LotR came out, several classmates and I got involved with some LARPer type local sword fighting group. Because of the popularity of LotR and being able to run fast gaving a huge advantage on larger battle fields, the track team and football running backs also got really into it. It created the synthesis of nerds getting into running to be better at LotR battle cosplay and the captain of the track team reading the Silmarillion to argue lore with the nerds. So we kind of had the opposite problem, being the "nerds that worked out" I had to experience extreme levels of cringe watching a goth girl very aggressively hit on a very socially inept nerd that was completely oblivious, somehow. But yeah, as a nerd, it really helped with not dealing with bullying when everyone knew you were close friends with the captain of the track team and the best fist-fighter in school. Also, occasionally did see the jocks kind of reigning in the nerds as well to be less weird around women.
I hate running and wouldn't be caught dead LARPing but love Tolkien so the idea of jocks reading The Silmarillion blows my mind.
Not my experience. A pretty jockish acquaintance of mine has been posting the most awful "feminist" concern trolling transphobic bs, like a picture of a boxer who got badly injured during a fight with a trans woman contender, and commenting "my dear feminists, they're mocking you to your face". It's a shame because they used to be nice in other contexts, but I'm glad I no longer hang out with them.
I got so angry I didn't even know what to say.
I'd imagine that Jocks that aren't involved in traditional team sports are generally pretty cool. Body builders, wrestlers, track and field, maybe like tennis and stuff too. I had a friend on the baseball team in college and he said that the icebreaker for freshman introducing themselves to the upper classmen was, whats your favorite pornstar. Genuinely a ton of just weird conservative dudes in most of the team sports. There were some cool football players though. I knew the star RB from middle school. He got expelled for beating up a kid everyone hated. Super sweet guy.
nah wrestling culture is terrible, and tennis is full of of rich kids.
sports culture in america is horrible and it's gutting to see people say jocks are good after what i went through.
Huh, given the thread i was just trying to be charitable, since i dont have experience with athletes that arent team sports people.
My experience has always matched yours. Jocks treated me like shit. I got bullied on my baseball teams and always felt uncomfy around athletes.
Yeah it's weird, all the "jocks" I know are borderline (or open!) fascists while the "nerds" tend to be lib at worst.
Most of the trans girls i know are massive nerds. I'm no exception. I think that back before the 4chan poison, nerd culture used to be a refuge for people who did not fit traditional gender roles, but where either not queer or not out yet. If you were a scrawny AMAB person who didn't enjoy getting into hands-on physical competition with boys, a TTRPG group was a safe space, whether that was because you were an egg like me, on the spectrum, or whatever else. And when i look at the cis girls on my RPG discord, they didn't care about most stereotypical girly stuff, they cared about starting an all-girl RPG group with their friends and claiming that whole acting and storytelling and worldbuilding thing for themselves. And now that we're grown up, we have to start our own safe space for nerdy girls and allies and queer and PoC roleplayers because the forums we used to frequent got overrun by manosphere-brainwashed STEMbros after the gamergate watershed.
It's a pity, really. TTRPGs in particular have so much potential for things like gender exploration, queering established cultural narratives, or just goofing around and doing high camp. When my egg cracked and i realized i need to try living as a woman, one of the first things i did was finding a play by post group so that i could try out different gender roles without having to worry about passing. I constantly see trans people post memes about how they were known as the player who always rolls up characters of the "opposite" gender. That hobby is almost predestined to become a staple in LGBT+ communities, especially once you include story-focussed indie games that are also attractive to the parts of the community that grew up with fanfic.
SMH we really listening to MtM's now? No thanks, I'll stick to M&M's :grillman: !
I've never thought to articulate it: but you know how people are all like "Elon has more gender affirming surgeries than a trans person?" If somebody was a trans ally and had a bunch of hair transplants, took a bunch of T, jaw inserts, bone shaving, fat removal, etc. then that seems fair enough.
We love our big lugs don't we folks, our loveable meathead guys!
What are you going to do, tell the 6'5" rippling mass of muscle that you won't give him the sauce because it's gay?
What are you going to do, tell the
6’5"5'6" rippling mass of muscle that you won’t give him the sauce because it’s gay?FTFY
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I ain't hating! Just keeping it real: most body builders are short kings.
I think 175-178cm/5'9-5'10 is considered the perfect height for open bodybuilding as far as I know. Ronnie Coleman was 178cm/5'10 I think.
Their spiritual pressure makes you feel like they're towering over you
My personal experience is that shorter people are generally more athletic and energetic than taller people, but also my perception of "short" is actually around average height for my country
This tracks. As an on again, off again power lifter, I used to buy test from a trans man lmao
I was recently trying to find hormones for a relative with a medical condition amd someone told me go to the trans forums they'll know where to get them.
Bit idea: the MLB siphoning funds to the Freedom Caucus in increasingly blatant ways
Im a new kind of transphobe, only for the state/county transit authorites/departments like CalTrans
The only thing they do in my experience is make the freeways bigger and ruin the fucking intersections and rip out the bus stops' benches and shelter and shade.
