I can't believe we've transcended "clean Wehrmacht" and are now onto "clean Waffen SS"
Well, actually it was at first about defending US soldiers in Vietnam due to the draft existing. Sadly for 7df the majority of US soldiers were volunteers not draftees, and draftees could always make a stand by running away or going to jail etc. This eventually spiraled into how the camp guards couldn't be held accountable either, (I think, I mostly only caught the first part about Vietnam which was bad, but I am fairly sure the camps were brought up in the latter part before 7DF was promptly banned for defending imperialists/war criminals. It was a while ago, over a year now, last time I spoke to him on reddit on GCJ and he used "gay" against me in a derogatory manner )
There are a few examples of US servicemen that did good shit, like Hugh Thompson. He was treated like a pariah, spiraled into alcoholism and ptsd. His wife left him. Saving those civilian lives ruined his life. Truly a sad story all around. Meanwhile that bastard Calley was treated like a hero. Cursed country.
This eventually spiraled into how the camp guards couldn’t be held accountable either
Debate club brain. Holy shit.
The idea that people were forced to work in concentration camps (on like, the bad side, obviously) and thusly are sort of innocent is pretty pervasive in germany despite there not being a single example of that happening ,ever
Before the wermacht are "honorable" conscripts and they blame all the evil shit on the SS, even though the wermacht did commit heinous stuff on their own, now they are rehabillitating the fucking SS?
Waffen SS
Not Nazis
:lenin-sure:
Also love how it's posted specifically by a :reddit-logo: subreddit twitter account, just masterful posting on display :chefs-kiss:
Also love how it’s posted specifically by a subreddit twitter account, just masterful posting on display
Fucking lmao I missed that
That subreddit has a thread on that one up and boy howdy is it as shitty as you'd expect
Well if our boys who were involuntarily conscripted to the Soviet side can be remembered then so can be the ones on nazi side. Though just memorizing the fallen without mentioning sides is probably better.
223 upvotes. A response:
They are not the same. How many fucking times...
-2.
Pretty sure Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany were uncomfortably similar.
+4.
Every response pointing out that maybe the fascists who wanted to exterminate anyone not 'pure' enough was maybe a bit different from the USSR is getting hammered.
You know, when :reddit-logo: went down hard recently I was hoping it was actually gonna die. What a shame.
Pretty sure Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany were uncomfortably similar.
Sure is odd how Lithuania is still around today and not part of "Greater Russia" in that case.
Classic Baltic States moment. Now we just need a Finn to explain how his country was definitely not part of the Axis powers during WW2
:morshupls: A Finn explaining how the concentration camps in Karelia were totally not part of ethnic cleansing but just a form of resistance against the Soviet oppressors
finland is just a smol bean uwu, those meanie soviets were always the aggressors 😡😡 especially during the russian civil war when pood widdle finn raiding parties went all around the border and baltic states doing a hecking anti-communism wholesome 200
Vladimir Lenin: I execute my enemies during a civil war.
:wojak-nooo:
CGE Mannerheim: I execute my enemies during a civil war.
:so-true:
Really though, it's funny how not-so-wholesome, authoritankie actions and invasions are a-okay if the end result is a muh Liberal
HerrenvolkDemocracy (as opposed to the evil commies who want a classless society). Seen the same apologetics for South Korea's dictatorship.One of the funny things is that Mannerheim (may he burn forever in hell inshallah) continued to execute his enemies after the civil war, against the direct commands of the government. Don't you dare to call 1920-1940 finland a fascist dictatorship though, it was just a wholesome liberal democracy with fascist brownshirt gangs running around abducting social democrats and driving them to the eastern border for being too lefty, and if you were ACTUALLY a leftie you'd be in a prison being abused by the fascist brownshirt guards. :shrug-outta-hecks:
you see Stalin was against ethnic cleansing so by doing ethnic cleansing we were resisting soviet tyranny which claimed a fundamental value to every human life
Also don’t look up the life of the man who introduced the swastika to the Finnish military
spoiler
From Reuters
However, it is wrong to claim the flag demonstrates Finland condoning Nazism, historians and the Finnish Air Force say; although Helsinki did ally with Nazi Germany between 1941 to 1944 to fight off Soviet invasion (here). A Finnish Air Force spokesperson told Reuters the swastika in the Finnish Air Force flag featured in the photos was introduced in 1918 – before Nazism rose in Europe. “The first aircraft of the Finnish Air Force, a Thulin Typ D reconnaissance aircraft, was donated by [Swedish count] Eric von Rosen in 1918,” the spokesperson explained. “He had painted his personal symbol of luck, a blue swastika, on the wings of the aircraft.” That symbol, the spokesperson said, then became “the national insignia of all Finnish Air Force aircraft from 1918 until 1945. As the symbol of the first aircraft of the Air Force, a swastika remains featured in Air Force unit flags.” After World War Two, blue swastikas on aircraft were replaced by blue and white roundels, while the emblem was used in the Finnish Air Force logo until 2017, when it changed the swastika with wings to a golden eagle with a circle of wings, according to 2020 reports (here, here). Kai Mecklin, director of the Finnish Air Force Museum, affirmed the air force’s comments, saying the swastika was not used to demonstrate support of Nazism but an emblem of Eric von Rosen. Mecklin told Reuters: “He wanted to mark the plane with his lucky emblem. This was years before Nazis existed. For us it is symbol of freedom and independence.” Teivo Teivainen, Professor of World Politics at the University of Helsinki, told Reuters that the swastika’s 1918 appearance was “clearly a non-Nazi thing”, given the German National Socialist Party did not exist at the time.
Computer, look up this von Rosen fellow.
Swedish count Eric von Rosen gave the Finnish White government its second aircraft, a Thulin Typ D. Von Rosen, one of the founding members of the Nationalsocialistiska Blocket ("National Socialist Bloc"), a Swedish National Socialist political party, and later brother-in-law to Hermann Goering, had painted his personal good-luck charm on the Thulin Type D aircraft. This logo – a blue swastika, the ancient symbol of the sun and of good luck, which was back then still used with non-political connotations – gave rise to the insignia of the Finnish Air Force. The white circular background originated when the Finns painted over the advertisement from the Thulin air academy. The swastika was officially taken into use after an order by Commander-in-Chief C. G. E. Mannerheim on 18 March 1918. The FAF changed its aircraft insignia, which resembled the swastika of the Third Reich, after 1944 due to an Allied Control Commission decree, which prohibited fascist organizations.
Um, actually, Stupid tankie, the Finns got invaded and lost a strip of land so it was perfectly justifiable for them to starve out Leningrad.
And how they didn't actually participate in the blockade and siege of Leningrad.
It's kinda wild, they took part in the siege and all but they're painted as "Well, they stopped by the 1939 borders and didn't take direct actions against the besieged city" as if they were benevolent or had actual mercy on the soon-to-be-genocided Soviets, they didn't take direct actions on the city for the same reasons the Nazis did: taking Leningrad by force was to be ridiculously costly and starving them out was "cheaper". Still, the Finns collaborated with the Germans by setting up a flotilla in Lake Ladoga to interdict in Soviet supply lines when the lake was not frozen (alongside German and Italian units), and despite being "passive" on the front, they still pressured the encircled Soviets.
They were not nazis
That's interesting, because I find an easy way to identify nazis is check if someone's wearing a nazi uniform. It has a 100% success rate
My "They were not nazis" t - shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by my shirt
My Waffen SS uniform has people asking a lot of unfair and biased questions
Shout-out to the guy in the reddit thread running defense for Nazis by copy-pasting Wikipedia without checking the citations. Yeah man, I'm sure your quote from "Useful Enemies: America's Open-Door Policy for Nazi War Criminals" isn't taken out of context.
Look they wore their uniform and fought alongside Nazis, but that didn't make them Nazis:maybe-later-honey:
My client may talk like an idiot, and look like an idiot, but don't let that fool you: he really is an idiot.
They only liked their heritage and fatherland a lot, doesn't mean they meant it personally when they volunteered to kill their fellow soviet citizens uWu
Kinda odd because this argument is not used the other way around, "not all soviets were communists". To them, "all soviets were agents of Judeo-Bolshevism" and therefore they had to be destroyed, that is why thousands of Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians and so on joined the SS lmfao. And joining the SS isn't equal to getting a cool uniform, a cool gun and you get to form your own cool regiment with your own cool insignia, apart from getting uniforms, weapons and a military structure from your new German overlords, you also get further indoctrinated... funni.
They also like to break down this issue down to the individual, sure, everyone had their reasons and motivations to join a fight against an enemy, being a fucking nazi piece of shit is the common denominator.
:jesus-christ:
They may see flowers. I see a :bathroom:
I applaud them for installing a public bathroom but they should have put it lower down so it would be gender neutral
To the Nazis, fighting the USSR and genociding Jews and Slavs was all part of the same struggle. Nobody joined the SS without knowing this.
:reddit-logo: quarantine incoming surely. Wait, who am I kidding? This isn't nearly as bad as what GenZedong did.
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