Marvel movies and their consequences have been a disaster for the western mind.
Even Marvel movies include the occasional bit of nuance and the periodic heel turn. All three Iron Man Movies had a "turns out the real villain was a greedy American plutocrat all along" twist ending. The entire Civil War arc was literally two groups of canonically good people coming to blows over ideology.
This isn't Marvel Movies. Its straight up Social Media Brain. The guy has absolutely pickled himself.
Sort of. It's more like 'bad American plutocrat' was the baddie... Whereas avengers are the good megafunded American plutocrats.
Canonically aren't the two teams both good western lapdogs whose aims seem to often align with the US military? All they ever seem to do is make even larger and larger weapons.
Actually one team (cap) hates GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT and one team (iron man) wants to work with governments.
So captain america isnt really a US lapdog unlike stark hes just full on libertarian :hopium: (insists American values is simply purely good and blaming muh GOVERNMENT for corrupting those values)
And even then, the movie basically boiled it down to more along the lines of
Iron Man: Your friend killed my parents?
Captain America: It wasn't his fault, he was brainwashed!
Iron Man: I don't care, let's fight!
(They fight)
Captain America: Let's stop fighting, the real bad guy is getting away!
Iron Man: Okay, I forgive Bucky for killing my parents because I am more mad at Baron Zemo for some reason
Captain America: Good, let us ignore international laws and regulations about our extraordinary renditions
Iron Man: agreed
Whereas avengers are the good megafunded American plutocrats.
The Marvel Heroes are always pitched as the Underdogs. So, at best, you've got a Rogue Billionaire against The World. Or perhaps a Global SuperSpy Network that's riddled with enemy operatives which needs an even Super-ier Double-Secret Spy Network doing counterintelligence to root out the Fifth Columnists.
Canonically aren’t the two teams both good western lapdogs whose aims seem to often align with the US military?
They're two sides of the neoliberal coin - the libertarian-leaning advocates for unregulated laisse-faire benevolent SuperHeroing versus the technocratic micromanagers who want a Rules Based International Order managed out of a floating CIA sky fortress. But this is a world in which the US Military is vestigial. Its "The Boys" done unironically, with Superheroes acting as Mega-Operatives who single-handedly do what JSOC needs whole companies to attempt.
I wouldn't even really call them pro-military so much as ultra-nationalist. Both sides are operating in the (perceived) interest of their Western Homelands, with the implicit endorsement of national governments that only exist to flail helplessly in the shadow of these Ubermensch.
All they ever seem to do is make even larger and larger weapons.
I always thought they were the weapons. They'll do Goku-tier shit where they execute a mid-movie training montage that justifies how they lose in Scene 1 but win in Scene 3.
Canonical, SHEILD is independent from any nation because defending the world can't be the work of any one nation.
Problem is, Disney has a deal where if they write jingo trash the US military gives them toys to play with. That's why the international SHEILD is portrayed as using US military hardware.
SHIELD is basically super-powered NATO. At first glance it looks like a voluntary multi-national coalition set up to defend against outside threats, but it's really just the US in 30 different trench-coats, doing whatever is necessary to protect the Empire.
These MFs call something Star Wars baby shit and then think :amerikkka: had justified reasons to invade Vietnam.
this person probably buys into the 'empire did nothing wrong' vibe of star wars fandom anyway
No they probably just get upset when you think the empire deserves whatever it gets because it’s uncivil and the rebels should just forgive them
Worst part of the clone wars honestly.
Have the clone troopers just following orders
the enlisteds would be the ones just following orders, the clones were little better than automatons
Zelenskyy is such a liability for Ukraine. Completely inexperienced in diplomacy. Remember when a Ukrainian missile hit Poland, and both the US and Russia were like "hey let's calm down and figure out the facts first, no need to nuke anyone" and Zelenskyy went full on posadist and demanded retaliation against the Russians?
Everyone remembers how in Star Wars, part of the rebellion voted to leave the rebellion, so the rebels spent 7 years bombing the shit out of them, while aligning itself with progressively more authoritarian and fascist, old school Sith
It’s simple. Even a baby remembers this
Remember that scene when the rebel leaders locked minorities in a trade union hall and set it on fire?
He's right. Harry Potter is the right book for once. On one side you have genocidal slave owning tyrants oppressing entire peoples and on the other you have Voldemort.
Lmao because it isn't.
It's Hitler VS Mussolini and they're both the result of US meddling .
The real world is, in fact, very complicated.
I mean, I'll spot you that Ukraine isn't complicated in the sense that its a complete unforced error in which neighboring countries are incinerating themselves for no discernible benefit because they spooked each other. Every day they don't end the bloodshed and come to the table is a day they've failed as national leaders.
But if you want to get under the surface and ask why the countries and their peoples are suddenly embracing the idea of a year's long holocaust, that's going to take more than a Cliff's Notes reading of the Space Wizard Show.
It's Reservoir Dogs. It's the Scooby Doo movie with the Confederate zombies. It's the Pinocchio movie Walt Disney made to appeal to Hitler. It's Tom and Jerry. It's No Country for Old Men. It's Pulp Fiction. It's Fieval Goes West. It's the Berenstein/Berenstain debate. I am a normal person with a real functioning brain why do you ask?
It’s the Pinocchio movie Walt Disney made to appeal to Hitler
Pardon?
The old animated Pinocchio movie coded its villains as the Nazis' targets: the queer actors, the Romani circus owner, and the Jewish businessman who was literally conspiring to reduce young men to beasts and enslave them, and it did this while wrapping itself in the same ideals and themes the Nazis were building their cultural mythology from. There was a rather long analysis someone linked here a few months ago, which I unfortunately didn't save.
For some reason I was thinking it was a video, but reading that I think that's it. I read that, and then when remembering it conflated it with a video about how bad the remake was, which explains why I couldn't find it.
This time I'm bookmarking it lol.
I was just wondering something. Said guy who enslaved children was one of the few Disney villains to not receive his comeuppance. I wonder if that was to imply that THEY are still out there.
Star wars a series where both sides in clone wars are literally funded and controlled by the dark side? Where palpatine is literally described as similar to dick cheney?
It's weird how much people miss the major thematic commentary the OG and Prequel Star Wars trilogies make about the American Empire. Lucas specifically made a Vietnam War allegory, and then made an end-of-history-American-Empire allegory, both of which are some of the most successful media franchises of all time... and yet none of this seems to have penetrated the minds of the fans.
lol, way to go capitalism, you've branded and commodified the concept of 'good' and 'evil':amerikkka-clap:
Can't wait for the Pope to announce they're replacing Satan with Darth Vader to appeal to a younger demographic, in exchange for replacing his big pope hat with Mickey Mouse ears
If we ever get an American pope, that's definitely what's going to happen.
Remember when the rebels were funded by the Empires' more powerful enemy the Super-Empire?
Yes, supporting Ukraine is indeed "Star wars harry potter baby shit" which is why you shouldn't do it.
You don't have to defend Russia's military, you just have to know NATO engineered this situation and the main victims are poor and working class people caught in the crossfire.
They’re a capitalist army fighting for nationalist reasons. It’s not really defensible.
It’s just that this conflict was obviously provoked by the West, so any fallout falls heavily on them. (This is why they try so hard to pretend that this is a new Hitler, because it absolves them of the responsibility of avoiding a preventable war.)
Eh, rates of civilian casualties seem surprisingly low given the intensity of the conflict and all the missile strikes. I remember back in like October, there was a giant missile strike involving the better part of a hundred missiles all across Ukraine and the civilian death toll, at least what could be confirmed in the hours and days after, was like 10 people. And it was this whole thing where Ukraine didn't know whether to be like "Russia killed TEN people! An entire TEN WHOLE CIVILIANS! That's like, 0.001% of a genocide!" or "Haha, see! Russian missile technology is so inept that they can't even kill people right!"
But honestly I think even if Russia's military was the most saintly army in history and only targeted things when it was absolutely, unequivocally, 100% sure that it would result in no civilian casualties - which is literally not possible in war - then people would still find many reasons to oppose Russia. Like, you're fighting an underlying hatred of Russia and what they're doing (put there by propaganda or personal experience or whatever), and the reasons people give are just disposable, and even if you epically disprove them by saying "Well, if you look at these civilian casualty figures collected by the UN from February 2022 to November 2022..." then at best they'll just stop replying and then come back the next day making the same, disproven argument. So you're effectively on an endless treadmill of arguments, and I stopped bothering with that in this war like a few months after it started.
And the whole concept of "defending" Russia or "justifying" the conflict is only relevant if you're constantly getting in arguments with people about it, which I don't think is even vaguely productive unless you have a position of power in your real-life community. I think all I would do if probed on Russia is give all the context I can, ranging back to 2014 with the Maidan coup and then the 1990s with the fall of the USSR and NATO's promise that they wouldn't go one inch eastwards, and if you think that that's enough justification, then good for you; if you don't think it's enough and Russia is still the bad guy, then who really cares? All we can do is try and survive the maelstrom.
Kinda hard to criticize Russia for killing civilians when Ukraine has been using them as human shields since the start of the war.
