So much for r/music being full of rebels. Apparently the LGBT community needs to be nicer to people who, wittingly or not, carry water for facists
JUMP IN FRONT OF A BUS YOU COKE ADDLED BOOMER YOUR WHOLE CAREER WAS BEIN ACCUSED OF CORRUPTING CHILDREN BY SINGING IN DRAG
You'd think a dude who literally testified in front of Congress due to a moral panic over his music would understand what's going on here.
Also holy fucking christ is that thread terrible
A good chunk of that thread is basically just liberals using the situation to whine about their own pet issues (purity tests, social media, Hilary Clinton, someone was mean to me) and that's exactly what Dee Snider's response and follow up seems to do too.
I don't understand why people claiming to be trans allies can't just shut the fuck up and listen. It's not about us. It was never about us. If you're a celebrity with a platform and you have 'concerns' about trans issues I don't understand why you wouldn't ask trans people you trust instead of grandstanding on the internet and then crying about the fact you got pushback.
Dee Snider responds after being dropped by SF Pride
Snider goes on to describe himself as a “proud moderate,” and a heterosexual who proudly supports LBGTQIA+ rights.”
Meanwhile Stanley seems to be concerned about his revenue stream...
Kiss’ Paul Stanley, meanwhile, has since claimed the wording of his initial post was not “clear.”
“Most importantly and above all else, I support those struggling with their sexual identity while enduring constant hostility and those whose path leads them to reassignment surgery,” Stanley wrote Thursday on social media. “It’s hard to fathom the kind of conviction that one must feel to take those steps.”
Cis men are extremely concerned with the integrity of their genitals. See how something like a vasectomy is freaked out over. So that someone would willing stop having cock and balls is alien and unimaginable for them.
Cis men are extremely concerned with the integrity of their genitals.
So am i, which is why i'm gonna have a skilled surgeon put them in the cute, non-dangly shape they're supposed to have. Waiting for the clinic to call me back rn :trans-ferret:
I'd love to go there, but my insurance sadly wouldn't pay for me taking a transatlantic flight and seeing a US doctor to get PPT. So i'm going down to Munich to get a combined method vaginoplasty done by Dr. Morath. Really like her results, she's probably the best we have domestically.
The situation used to be a bit lackluster and many people flew to Thailand to get SRS, but that has changed in recent years and now we've got a few reputable surgeons here, and they're a lot cheaper than in the US for doing basically the same stuff (if you exclude PPT, we have nobody offering that procedure). Morath still charges a 3000 € co-payment (many other surgeons here are free if you have insurace), but i once ended up sleeping with a woman who got SRS at her place and ... it just beats sitting at the doctor's office and looking at the pussy binders. Knowing what the results will feel, smell and taste like is pretty reassuring when it comes to this kind of stuff, so i'm just sticking with what i know.
Maybe our so-called advocacy groups should do more educating and less cocktail parties. They could aggregate stories of trans youth. They should have been hittng back day zero instead of rubbing elbows with DC waiting to makie it an election and grifting issue.
Seems like these counter-culture rockers think transgenders are :so-true: putting up a front to own the squares and get laid like them, instead of struggling to be honest with themselves and asking society to please respect that. They're not getting the memo because our advocacy groups are too busy clinking mimosas with the elite instead of being advocates and educators.
:reddit-logo: is a lost cause. Every single day I wonder why I still bother with it. Unfortunately there's no alternative that provides the same thing, to my knowledge.
Boomer rock band guy says we should let kids be crossdressers and other gender non conforming and not push transition on them. (No one is "pushing" transition.) Gets mad when told he is repeating transphobic rhetoric, and says the trans are a purity cult canceling him.
Gets mad when told he is repeating transphobic rhetoric, and says the trans are a purity cult canceling him.
I'm getting really tired of this happening over and over
This makes a lot of sense if you consider that his time in music was politically specious. It had no real political content, it was just aesthetic choices. Wear your hair like this, wear makeup, act a certain way, don't work certain jobs. It wasn't actually disruptive in any significant way which is why it was allowed to continue until it was normalized. It made a lot of money for some very large media companies, who actually do have political weight.
When it comes time for some actual political content, something that actually is disruptive, then he doesn't get it. He comes off as more conservative than he would seem from his rebellious music.
All that testifying to congress and telling your boomer military dad to shove it wasn't actually doing anything. It was just a rebranding of the same cultural and political power center. That's why hard right people these days listen to that kind of stuff instead of Perry Como. It's ultimately about white straight men being able to push social boundaries with no consequence. The moment an actual marginalized group tries to do it, we need to hold on and temper our actions. That is the time for concern.
The only reason rap didn't get outright banned was because they fucked up and caught a bunch of white male artists in the dragnet. If the music police were a little more aware they could have gotten rid of rap (which is what they really wanted) without hurting rock and roll. Then these artists wouldn't have really said shit or they would have just did some performative protest and went back to tour afterwards.
Luckily capitalism did all the heavy lifting anyways, without moral regulators. Rock and rap lost its edge. Both became heavily commercial and mass marketed. Now it's noise in the background of pop.
Out of touch boomers have bad opinions. In other news the sky is blue.
When you are loosing socially liberal boomers and genXers maybe, just maybe it is time to reconsider the tactics and positions before the backlash comes.
Don't imagine starting children on HRT is much like prescribing Adderall.
Medicating kids to maintain the acceptable norm and allowing them to break with said norms are pretty much the same thing, right?
Fair point. I dont actually know anything about how a trans kid is assessed, and shouldn't speak to it. I guess what bothers me is that the obtuse dismissal of the possibility of misdiagnosis presumes a level of competence and investment from doctors that I've never seen in my life. Maybe psychs who specialize in transgenderism are different.
From my understanding children diagnosed with gender dysphoria go through most of a decade in doctor and psychiatrist visits before they'll even consider putting someone on puberty blockers.
Yea, and it's possible for kids who identify as cats to be using litterboxes in class. This is all very real and serious and we shouldn't dismiss it as part and parcel with transphobic moral panic.
I just kind of err on the side of never handing it to 'em for any reason, especially when it means implicitly ceding ground to right wingers
we could perhaps do a better job of reminding people that sometimes the result of of exploring/questioning gender and sexuality stuff is that you find out you're cishet and only like missionary with the lights off and not the caricature drug-fueled queer poly orgies they're so envious of. (or aro/ace etc but these people don't know that exists)
I argue that a lot tbh because I feel like it's a win-win. Like yes little cishet Timmy should be allowed to question things because no matter what he'll gain a better understanding of himself and hopefully empathize with trans people in the process. Would go a long way in normalizing experimentation and probably help mitigate the panic parents feel when they're child is "suddenly" trans
If a cis kid somehow manages to get on hormones by lying, then they would go through the wrong puberty. Like I had to do
And also lying about every facet of their existence for like 8+ years before getting any hormones. You have to do so much shit like present as X for so many years. I don't think it's nearly the same as lying to your psych a couple times
Yeah good point, a CIS kid pretending to be a trans kid probably really has to live the grift.
gettin type 2 diabetes because i ate too many sugar pills becxause they're soooooo yummy
What next?! Rob Halford is going to be a staunch supporter of the LGB Alliance?
Not that I'm aware of, although much as it pains me to admit it (Priest are my fav band), he is a massive lib.
