At any rate, I'll take liberals any day over auth fascists that are tankies.
Yes, we know you’ll side against leftists at the first opportunity.
Also Politicalcompassmemes Delenda Est, what the fuck is “auth fascist” even supposed to mean you absolute baby brains?
"Authoritarian" really seems to just be a childish, meaningless accusation thrown at anything people don't like, or any time someone points out that yes, actually a state does need a monopoly on violence, and states are the only technology thus far that can successfully resist aggression from states. Idk, it's very "i don't understand how power works" liberalism. All the power systems that aren't visible to them don't exist, but if someone tells them to go to bed on time it's red brown leftfash blah blah blah.
I had a very odd moment on twitter where a bunch of... idk, "anarchists" except actual anarchists would never do this, but the "anarchists" were very upset that "authoritarians" wanted to legally prohibit nazis from owning guns in some theoretical future where leftists wrote laws. It was really bizarre. Apparently taking guns away from the people who expressly intend to murder you is redfash authoritarian violence that is utterly unforgivable and beyond the pale. Easily one of the strangest twitter interactions i've had.
I once had a conversation with a self-described "anarchist" on :reddit-logo: who said they would be perfectly fine with nazis going off and starting nazi communes, because denying them that right would be "authoritarian". I asked them, well what about the children who would be born in those communes? All the girls being raised to be submissive tradwives, the ones who grow up to be queer, the ones born with physical and/or mental traits that nazis deem as "subhuman"? I got no answer.
Every single anarchist I know irl would show nazis the wall at the first given opportunity, so I really don't get where these sort of brainworms are coming from.
Same. I don't know any anarchists IRL who believe anything like that. The baby anarchists with no theory hate Nazis. the Anarcho-pacifists who literally will not fight to defend themselves hate nazis. Everyone hates nazis. I only ever see it online.
:reddit-logo: 'anarchists' tend to be folks who would've called themselves libertarians in the past but know that calling yourself that gets you negative clout these days, so 'anarchist' it is
I don't usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell's blog, but they didn't seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you.
Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad's company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol).
I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of "anarchists" and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise.
I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn't see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn't read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me.
This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don't know why, but I didn't say anything) and they invited me inside.
We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn't as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate.
I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don't even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like "nooo" we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism.
And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it.
I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that's it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don't have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like "noooo" again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says "nooo" or expresses some disapproval at the same time.
And one of them said "but we do want to stop democracy" and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn't really understand it. And they asked me what I meant.
So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism.
Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property.
Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling "you're breaking the NAP" and things like that. "Stop initiating force against me." Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though.
I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos.
So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad.
I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don't worry. Just needed to share.
Social media for leftists is like guns for pacifists.
Tedious but absolutely necessary until the fascists stop using it?
our haters sure do seem to have a lot of problems with our takes on israel and russia lmao :michael-laugh:
Yeah, on the surface choosing what right wing corrupt former Soviet state with government created by us backed coup can go either way.
Like Israel is being governed by a right wing fascist coalition between Likud and Kahanists. How that doesn't give away the plot and tear the mask off the whole thing I don't know.
Yeah Israel is a pretty easy issue to get right, before I was more developed politically I was like "So a bunch of people migrated to an area, killed and forcefully relocated/subjugated the people who lived there, declared a religious ethno-state... And people are okay with this?"
i avoid it to prevent night terrors, and nothing much exciting is going on
you avoid it because you are a liberal
we are not the same :castro-stuff:
It's one thing if they had just said Russia, but they had to include Israel? Apartheid supporters don't belong here.
Word. Why would you even lurk here if you thought "israel is an apartheid ethnostate engaged in systematic violence and oppression of ethnic and religious groups" was a controversial statement? Like just admit your buy in to the zionist anti-semetic lie that all Jews are Zionists and Jews that reject Zionist violence aren't real Jews.
all the worst leftists
:ohnoes: They know about our libness
That whole sub got overloaded by the same kind of fucking libs that were viciously defending Musk right up until last year with their effective altruism nonsense. "Well, he's going to bring us Solar Roof tiles so you have to be pragmatic and overlook his anti-union stance. Where's your startup changing the world?"
it used to be called thehexbear before Justin Timberlake told us to drop the "the"
You have to stay away from discussions on Russia or Israel but for most other things it's quite pleasant and less debate bro-y than reddit
why do you have to stay away from israel? i mean, russia can be a little touchy but :thonk:
There are American leftists out there who literally believe everything we do domestically, but eat up every piece of CIA and state department propaganda.
What if we kept the world pinned under our boot, together?
In some ways, this is the most annoying type of person, who disavows the US as "evil" or whatever but then quotes the State Department on Xinjiang
The perception of anti-Israel being the same thing as antisemitism is still around. The Israel lobbyists (and the CIA, probably) have done a masterful job of interlinking the idea that Judaism is the same thing as Zionism, and they're both manifest as the state of Israel. It's an incredibly efficient mental block that tempers any liberal criticism of Israel and it makes us look like racist antisemites.
Most of us seem to call for the complete dissolution of Israel as a state. Liberals already think BDS is antisemitic, so imagine how we sound.
oh i know all that, it's just very funny that people apparently enjoys spending time on here without realizing that
These dopes don't realise they're directly supporting the concept of ethnostates by tying those two things together too.
I wonder if normal people (libs) actually believe the "roger waters is a fascist" bs that's been the big thing lately.
Well my well meaning left-lib long time Pink Floyd enjoyer friend was vocally disappointed when Waters said “China not bad” a couple years back. I 100% believe people will buy into it
They'll believe whatever they're told to believe. It's not about convincing people with evidence (that's debatebroism) but it's about telling them they aren't accepted by the ingroup if they don't. Since being accepted by the ingroup is the most important thing in their lives, you could tell them shit tastes good and they'd eat a mouthful. The alternative is to be The Other, cast out, downvoted and banned, in the dunk tank with Matt Walsh and Elon Musk.
I'm guessing the person who made this comment favors a two state solution
Unless BDE is factored in, I don't think Palestine needs to have two states to themselves.
:a-little-trolling: Folks, they're talking about the Hexbear. They say it's only the worst leftists in there. Many people are saying this.
new tagline from that thread [ VERY URGENT ADDITION NEEDED ]:
liberals will just openly admit they would rather chill with fascists instead of the world's best Nazi killers
yall are killing nazis? i didnt get invited to the party :transshork-sad:
Sorry we just love our trans comrades too much we can't risk them in combat
Exhibit A on the Western urge to have opinions without ever reading a single thing about the topic.
Me and my bro reading the Book of Hexbear :wtf-am-i-reading:
(we're libs)
I swear if I was ever made mod of a subreddit I wouldn't be able to hold myself back from swinging the ban hammer around like a whacky inflatable flailing arm tube-man
