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The fact that he is using the term sterile as a negative thing in a hospital is evidence enough that he is a genuine brain genius
Every now and then it's important to give yourself a pat on the back for being a materialist. Literal vibes-based BS all around.
Not gonna lie there's lots of studies that greenery really does help avoid that institutionalized white room effect and things such as ICU psychosis, but also there's a reason why potted plants were removed from patient rooms because yeah plants can carry a ungodly amount of bacteria. Still would say the most dangerous place in a hospital are bathrooms family members use after raw dogging into Meemaws iso room without PPE.
the most dangerous place in a hospital are bathrooms family members use
believe this a million percent
my mom was in the hospital for a few weeks a couple years ago, and I got to see how my family members washed their hands
it was horrifying
I am early 40s, nobody under 30 spent any time in that room, they should all know better
i know just from my experience in various office work places that guys even doing a cursory rinse of their hands is about 1 in 2.. and even lower worse odds they actually use soap
Having to tell family members that "no you are not allowed to go into a cdiff room without a gown and mask" and then watching them eat off their family members meal tray is one hell of an experience. Enjoy the worst satanic diarrhea y'all have ever had.
The funny thing is the aesthetic and safe option is steam punk copper rails/handles/surfaces everyetc.
Copper kill bacteria and cleans itself. But it's not used due to costs.
we could have had copper steampunk hospitals but we can't, because of woke
You're disregarding the psychological damage of being in a steampunk hospital
Me, in a neck brace because even slight movement may snap my neck
"Oh no, that looks like one of them new steampu-"
Cringe
Snap.
I wake up, the nurses and doctors are there to greet me and they get to about "G'day most distinguished gentlem-" before I turn off my own life support
G'day
I, too, would euthanize myself if I woke up suddenly in Australia
If you don't do it, the kangaroos, drop bears, or clock spiders will do it for you.
The tarnish is often seen as unsanitary, though it's not, and unsightly, so the upkeep can be a lot.
In fact a lot of brass and copper decorative fixtures are clear coated to prevent oxidation, but then they also prevent the antiseptic properties of the metal as well.Nosocomial infections are a really big deal in hospitals too. I wouldn't depend on copper alone to kill bacteria; how well does it deal with getting bleached down?
For the OP, if some snot-nosed child wiped his hand on the giant greenery wall, the bacteria flourished on the wall, then the AC brought a bunch of germs into an area for the immunocompromised then you're not gonna have a good time
What is it about western Anglo brain that makes you feel so privileged in your ignorance as to be comfortable making these grandiose and absurd statements that could truly only spring from the mind of a simpleton?
Bog standard white supremacist "I'm white, therefore I'm right."
Imo it's the individualist dogma of everyone being entitled to their opinion and the associated implication that everyone's opinion is valid and worth hearing.
I read this, and I'm suddenly realizing that I've never truly felt entitled to my own opinion, but also have never felt like anybody's opinion really matters, and that explains a lot of why I don't get along in society.
I'm a stupid dumbass. Why doesn't everybody else also realize and admit what a fucking idiot they are?
Yeah that’s a sentiment that super common place and Is just absolutely absurd when you think about it critically even a little bit
How can you be an adult and not know why scientific and medical stuff is white?
Scientific and medical stuff is white
Sensible hospital designers
reddit race scientistsIn case anyone is wondering, it's sensible cause you can see if it's getting dirty easier.
Fact check: True.
The dirty soul of the KKKracker is evident to all.
The fixation on whiteness is a cultural and arguably psychological phenomenon as a proxy for cleanliness and not something that should is survived germ theory.
For example, while using white makes sense for being able to identify literal dirt, it doesn't really make sense for modern hospitals given what we know about microbrial life. As noted elsewhere, tarnished copper looks like shit but is actually pretty great as a material.
This is from an article on the emergence of white coats for medical staff:
It appears, then, that rather than being signals of aseptic surgery based on scientific bacteriological research, the white aprons, gowns, jackets and coats were more likely to be the sign of the new “trade mark” aspiration of the expanding middle classes: bodily cleanliness and purity, made more accessible by the industrial production of new fabrics and the means of washing them. Advertisements on billboards and in the rapidly expanding popular press for mass-produced goods such as the high-profile Pears’ soap and the Sunlight washing products from Lever Brothers used key words and phrases such as “purity,” “health” (Stubley 2012, 129), and the “virtues of cleanliness”—the latter made evident in one of the advertisements depicting a naval officer in his tropical whites about to assume “the white man’s burden” of “brightening the dark corners of the earth” by introducing some fortunate “natives” to Pears’ soap (Figure 3).
In a similar way, the fashionable British surgeon and antiseptic “denier” Lawson Tait attracted his middle class gynecological patients not with scientific claims, but rather with visual reassurances of cleanliness and with “rhetorical and aesthetic vehicles of persuasion” (Greenwood 1998, 103)
Tait insisted that hospitals of the period should be “meticulously clean” and models of “domestic hygiene and comfort.” He thought that dirt was “inconsistent with good health and good living” (Greenwood 1998, 122) and that “advance within the art [of surgery] entailed the need for scrupulous cleanliness” (Greenwood 1998, 124).
Understanding the nineteenth century as the great century of linen (Corbin 1995, 13–38) allows the historian of surgery to see through fresh eyes the meaning and significance of the shift from the black frock coat to the white coat. It was not asepsis but pristine whiteness as the sign of cleanliness that led the way. Industrial revolution and chemical discovery made for whiter than white. By donning white, surgeons stepped into a new ideological system.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1362704X.2015.1077653
"sterile"
No shit the hospital is sterile. Do you want it dirty?
that's what kills me, nosocomial infections are not uncommon and can be lethal even when you observe all the safety protocols, some hospitals are simply too old and the decades of pee pee poo poo has seeped into the walls and there's nothing to do but bulldoze it and start from scratch (which would be great if we lived in the part of the world where the government can still do things)
yeah, it would be nice to have more greenerty, not i've yet to see a hospital that doesn't have at least a very small patch of greenery somewhere, or like, a tree in the parking lot, just build a garden next to the damn place
It's odd that via the counterfactual to this you arrive at the OP, which is this is a bacteria breeding ground for a whole lot of number of reasons anyways and we're rolling with that, might aswell make it look nicer if sterile isn't actually a consideration anymore
I can see how someone would think that, but to me, it's like starting to abuse coke because you're an alcoholic anyway; that's just making it worse.
Imagine if someone throws up on the vines. How would you ever clean that?
You just ban people from throwing up in hospitals, or at least charge them a $175,000 vine cleaning fee
If someone throws up on a vine in the woods, it just stays there forever, full of human pathogens, everybody knows that.
ITT: comrades falling prey to no investigation, no right to speak
Healthcare architecture has been driven by cost-efficiency for almost a hundred years.
How are fluorescent lights and no windows necessary?
There's evidence even just putting up posters of plants improves patient wellbeing
Some hospitals do have atriums like this. Pleasant little places to go and reflect, or gardens on the ground.
And they're auxiliary to the functional areas of the hospital, where keeping facilities and the spaces between them sterile and well-lit is just basic hygiene practice.
Dedicated garden areas are great. They improve the well-being of in-patients and staff who enjoy them and people who can't or shouldn't use them don't get forced to.
natural light and warm colors are prolly fine (?) only making patient color non-universal across places
greenery can only be done in those ecosystem-in-sealed-bottle tho
Harder to notice contaminants and missed cleaning spots on warm colors.
deep uv frier coming to hospital near you. i mean its a solvable thingy, slightly greener wall won't hide piss or something. Would it benefit that much - doubt it, the association depresses people not colors
If your infection control system consists of someone walking around with a mop to make dirty things look visually cleaner, you're fucked
The defining aspect of the Internet seems to be giving the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet a platform from which to spread their stupidity.
I've been to a few hospitals that had some Dracaena trifasciata planted around the lobby and other public areas to improve air quality so I don't think having indoor plants in a hospital is inherently dangerous.
i love bacterial and fungal infections
bacterial and fungal infections are the best!
the worm I got from drinking pond water tells me to tell all my human friends to drink pond water
