I'm not gonna lie: this whole thing is fucked when you think deeper about it.
The identity of the shooter doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Redmaga and bluemaga are each going to construct their own narrative and conspiracies about this event. Neither side will allow themselves to consider even a smidge of the opposing narrative. This is how deep the divide in this country is.
What is known for certain is that this will galvanize the right in the US and lead to more rightwing stochastic terrorism in the long run. Trump will win this election. If he doesn't then several major riots might start across major US cities. Whoever is in charge of this news is going to make sure the least amount of information about that guy's identity is available to the public.
This. Before Trump's ear stopped bleeding the republicans were already convinced it was a trans antfia supersoldier ridin' with Biden. We even saw it last night with the liberals saying it was a false flag.
Don't these people know a trans antifa supersoldier wouldn't have missed
it was a trans antfia supersoldier ridin' with Biden.
Also Chinese because we gotta shove in some Asian hate
The thing is when we fret about riots we always picture riots of the past when overall populations were lower, countries didn't have too many deeply interlocked financial interests, and technology was less sophisticated. In a developed country of 300 million people to keep stable with an exceptionally high tech military, any major attempts at rioting will still end up a comparative whimper that soon gets either subdued by institutional forces focused on maintaining predictable markets above all, or have their rage diverted by content made by self-interested private org grifters.
I revoke anything I said supporting that idea now that there's more info, is clear now that we got more of a school shooter who dreamt big.
Trump will win this election. If he doesn't then several major riots might start across major US cities.
It won’t. Bourgeoisie interests dictate the will of the country. They’ll sacrifice their profits for an old sweaty guy for a little, but anything that eats into it for a long time will result in a crackdown.
What is known for certain is that this will galvanize the right in the US and lead to more rightwing stochastic terrorism in the long run.
This is like saying 9/11 fundamentally made the US more openly racist which is both true and false depending on how far back you look and what is the standard you take it from.
The US is a country which already children are killed in classrooms, where adults already die from all consequences of poverty and where mass shootings in general are already common.
Point being, things which could be described as "terrorism" everywhere else in the world are already common and some(most?) of these are already on a trend upwards. So it may turn out to be a mistake to think this is some special moment that defined those trends.
this guys name is out already. we will know everything about this person in time.
This doesn't matter tbh, he's been galvanised and the base believes it was communists or something
The smart thing Democrats won't do now is only ever mention that the shooter was a Republican in unison on every media appearance and have their framing be that Trump's rhetoric is so dangerous it's even hurting him. Dems are too scared of doing things like this that actually work and would force the GOP to exhaust their resources trying to counter message on an issue unrelated to actual governing.
Biden has already pulled his ads temporarily, and all the dems that had spent the past 8 years warning that Trump would be the second coming of Hitler who would hang minorities from lampposts are now wishing him a speedy recovery.
When the next debate starts Biden will probably kneel before him and beg for forgiveness for being too mean to him and inciting violence or whatever.
Yep, it's old people and people who live in a sheltered world where politics is eternally nice and civil, all the way down. They may consciously be aware Trump is a unique threat, but are fixedly averse to straying from the rulebook of playing nice.
He was a registered Republican but he made a $15 donation to Turnout PAC via Act Blue. Ixve seen a lot of articles ig irr he was a registered Republican and focus on the massive $15 windfall he did to turnoutpac.
That said what is not said ANYWHERE is once you've given a single penny ANYWHERE that's DNC Actblue connected - you get non stop text spams fear mongering how much of an existential threat Trump is to the existence of reality. What that does to an impressionable young
man looking down a future knowing his life is going to be worse off in nearly every metric while constantly harassing them.Litterally writing into law that these doom and stochastic terror moneybeg spams can not be blocked and exempt from the Do Not Call lists.
The donation was on Biden's inauguration day, and also came from a different zip code than the shooter. Even if it wasn't a different guy with the same name, I think the speculation that it was a lost bet is a pretty good guess. He registered as a Republican less than a year later, and who donates on inauguration day?
The guy who made that bet with him, who now has to explain it in front of the whole world:
Yup, instead the Republicans will accuse Democrats of promoting violence by fear mongering about Trump and Project 2025. Democrats will of course do nothing to fight those accusations and instead just meekly agree to stop talking about fascism.
- ShowWait but i was told by libs on lemmy that we communists love Trump because we dunk on Biden.
I have a feeling the fun is just about to begin and by fun of course I mean the terror
By my math, if he's 20 now, that would have made him 17 in June 2021 when he donated, which is also too young to vote. He would have had to register as a Republican after that donation, and records show he voted in 2022.
Might be. A liberal adventurist scared of Project 2025.
The brainworms in this country for this to even remotely be a serious possibility
2022? So he's never voted in a presidential election? Something seems fishy about this whole thing now
So he's never voted in a presidential election?
If he was 20 as of July 13, 2024, then he would have been 16 on July 13, 2020, and in no way eligible to vote in the 2020 election
Something seems fishy about this whole thing now
the motivations of 20-year-olds can be mysterious even to the 20-year-olds
Idk, we will probably learn more soon; it's rare for a 20-y-o American to have no digital trail, so there's more information out there.
Maybe he wanted to impress Jodie Foster!
my money's on him being a terminally online kid from 4chan who is obsessed with pedophiles and keeps seeing the epstein stuff
I think it's more likely he was groomed by deep state actors to do this.
The conservative narrative I've seen now is that he was such a committed liberal that he registered Republican to sabotage their primaries from within.
My eyes rolled so far back into my head that they came around to the front again
What many of these dumb mainstream outlets leave out is that he donated to Democrats BEFORE he changed his party affiliation to Republican, and then voted Republican. Of course, conservatives will completely ignore that last bit because it suits their narrative, and outlets like NBC only help strengthen it.
Still, doesn't add up in my book. Supposedly he was a Republican gun enthusiast? Trumps for the 2nd amendment and endorsed by NRA. The fbi may just be trying to prevent a war from happening or something. The fbi definitely doesn't have the best reputation when it comes to honesty.
That's because your book doesn't paint a full picture of the right and all the factions within. You probably think every right-winger is either a MAGA supporter or a generic NeverTrumper. There are right-wing groups more radical than MAGA, who are very anti-Semitic and believe that Trump and his followers are too moderate. These are actual Neo-Nazi groups, who hate Jews, and want a race war. They're much more ideological, and they don't really care about the cult surrounding Trump, they just want to work towards an ethnostate. Many of them even believe that MAGA is a hindrance to further radicalization of the right and white nationalist politics, and supported DeSantis over Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if the shooter is a groyper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
We’ve talked about this on hexbear before, how Neo-Nazis actually support Biden because he gives so much support to the Nazis who run Ukraine. Some Neo-Nazis at least think that Trump is too “Jewish,” has a Jewish son-in-law, etc. Trump has been quite vocal about ending support to Ukraine if he wins the election.
If he's more extreme than the MAGA crowd then how would that explain his democrat past? That's such a radical change in political ideology over such a short time.
He was probably terrified of project 2025.
If he's more extreme than the MAGA crowd then how would that explain his democrat past? That's such a radical change in political ideology over such a short time.
half the people here were generic centrist libs in 2016 and turbomaoist anarcho-tankies with dolphin characteristics in 2017
Kids can have dramatic, drastic changes in politics in quite short periods
My guy have you never been 17? You are like an empty bucket waiting to be loaded with ideas. He was in highschool at 17, graduated, no indications he went to college, and does what for the next 3 years? Works a deadbeat job and possibly hangs out online a lot?
According to public records, he registered as a Republican in 2021, and voted as Republican in 2022, before Project 2025 was even leaked to the public. I don't know why a chud would be terrified of Project 2025 unless he was undergoing a political change of heart again, or was a closeted queer person who realized what it would mean for him. It doesn't seem very likely to me.
"Ideology" is not a fixed thing, specially in unstable times and with the internet around. This is a confused person experiencing material decline with access to guns and internet forums, and that's probably as deep as it goes. It only gets confusing if you think it is supposed to make sense on it's own (ie. the whole analysis begins and ends with the parties and this one individual, nothing else). This is why marxists talk so much about "material conditions", which is what makes nebulous political phenomena make sense
That's such a radical change in political ideology over such a short time.
Most of the people here on hexbear would like a word with you
I was 17 in 1999 and 20 in 2002
1999 me and 2002 me were sooooo incredibly different
honestly makes me wonder about people who didn't change a bunch from late teens to early 20s. like, that's the time of your life you're supposed to be changing rapidly and becoming a totally different person as you separate from your family and become an adult – was your childhood just that awesome and leftist or were you sheltered or what
yeah, right here with you, I'm thinking either Groyper or Boogaloo
Donated on inauguration day so he 100% lost a bet and had to donate.
Damn he was a Lincoln Project Neocon and not a Russiagate Neolib.
At least reddit didn't try to sleuth this one out. I imagine the hog sty is in a real tizzy right now
What does "registered" Republican even mean? There is no party membership for either of the two parties in the US. Is the address just on some list of "likely republican voter" households (also he's 20, so wouldn't that probably be his parents)?
Primaries in many states are closed, meaning only people registered with the party can vote in the primary. So in 2016 if you were registered independent but wanted to vote for Bernie in the primaries you would have to change your party registration before the primary. At least in many or most states. Some states have open primaries in which case you request either the Dem or Republican ballot.
You have to register with a party to vote in their primary in many states
That's basically nothing then, I'm sure a lot of people here are still registered democracts because of the bernie campaign
