How stupid do they think China is

  • JohnBrownsBussy2 [undecided, they/them]
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    1 month ago

    It is funny that this supposedly "market-based" solutions boil down to an axiom that creditors should never be allowed to lose when making a bet or a loan, and that the state should always compensate creditors.

    • Tom742 [comrade/them]
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      1 month ago

      That’s basically the IMF’s whole bid too, the west created a whole global institution to create loans that can never lose, their goal is debt trap.

      Which is ironic considering the capitalists rhetoric around loans and interest is that riskier loans have higher interest because of the chance of default. Then they go and ensure that no loan is risky if it’s enough money owed to the right people.

      • PKMKII [none/use name]
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        1 month ago

        Michael Hudson has written about this, that the international loan system exists so that the imperial core can put the screws on the “developing” world whenever it makes political economy decisions that threaten international capital’s bottom line.

        • Tom742 [comrade/them]
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          1 month ago

          Yup! I read Super-Imperialism and then shortly after read Debt: The First 5,000 years, and I think they compliment each other really well in being able to conceptualize how debt is wielded as a weapon.

          Debt actually opens up with the example of how “incredulous” of an idea it is that a country would default on their IMF loan and then shreds it apart.

  • vertexarray [any]
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    1 month ago

    The IMF wasn't even offering to loan any money out, they were just telling China how to run their economy lmao

    • Tom742 [comrade/them]
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      1 month ago

      Trying to get China to debt trap the central government to the real estate capitalists themselves essentially

  • sovietknuckles [they/them]
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    1 month ago

    The IMF called on China to deploy “one-off” fiscal resources to complete and deliver pre-sold properties or compensate homebuyers, according to an annual review of the world’s second-largest economy published Friday. It put the cost at the equivalent of 5.5% of gross domestic product over four years.

    That would amount to almost $1 trillion based on last year’s GDP, according to Bloomberg calculations.

    Bloomberg made up the $1 trillion figure

    • Pastaguini [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      “This would amount to INFINITY PLUS ONE TIMES A HUNDRED dollars.”

      • AstroStelar [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        Using nominal GDP instead of GDP adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP). America still leads in the former because the same goods and services cost more there than in China.

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        • Kieselguhr [none/use name]
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          1 month ago

          this is also the same neat trick they use when they say Italy's economy is bigger than Russia's

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    1 month ago

    “We believe that we should continue to apply market-based and rule-of-law principles in completing and delivering these units,” said Zhang Zhengxin, the IMF’s executive director for China who was elected to the fund by the government in Beijing.

    Lol. Just lol. "Actually we're just gonna do capitalism and see how that works out".

  • StalinStan [none/use name]
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    1 month ago

    They should take the money and just give it to Palestine. Then when the imf guy comes to ask for a payment they should arrest him and put him on their space station where we can't get to him

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      No fair, why should IMF ghouls get to go to space for free?

      • StalinStan [none/use name]
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        1 month ago

        Just like all imf business the cost is free upfront, it is getting out at the end that is gonna cost.

  • RNAi [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    Even if they were interested in injecting money on the companies that lost a shitton of money; doesn't China have like a shitton US debt that they could call? Why would they get a loan for it?

      • enkifish [any]
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        1 month ago

        Aren't the Chinese right here? Their property market is operating under capitalism, and if you bail out capitalists it does create a moral hazard for them to keep re-creating the conditions for more bail-outs. It would also send the signal that capital is actually in charge, and not the CPC.

        My understanding is that the CPC wants to use this opportunity to increase the share of social housing, but as you said is attempting a controlled demolition of the market; trying to thread the needle between saving "regular" people who invested in real-estate and allowing the whole thing to collapse. It seems like a daunting task, but China might be the only country that could pull it off. Plus there's the added benefit of greatly reducing the power of any real-estate ghouls left in government after the anti-corruption campaigns.

  • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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    1 month ago

    The IMF called on China to deploy “one-off” fiscal resources to complete and deliver pre-sold properties or compensate homebuyers, according to an annual review of the world’s second-largest economy published Friday. It put the cost at the equivalent of 5.5% of gross domestic product over four years.

    That would amount to almost $1 trillion based on last year’s GDP, according to Bloomberg calculations. It’s a solution that China all but ruled out in an official response included in the report.

    “We believe that we should continue to apply market-based and rule-of-law principles in completing and delivering these units,” said Zhang Zhengxin, the IMF’s executive director for China who was elected to the fund by the government in Beijing.

  • umbrella@lemmy.ml
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    1 month ago

    it is my understanding that they announced and even planned to divert resources away from real estate

    why would they want to reinvest in it again all of a sudden in the first place

  • tactical_trans_karen [she/her, comrade/them]
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    1 month ago

    IMF: porky-happy Heyyyy buuuuudy! It's me, the West, your old pal that you have a good history with who never says openly that we want to sew the seeds of your destruction. You know that thing that you're being so successful at? Yeah, the economy! Looks like you need some help with that, wanna borrow some money?

    China: xigma-male I am the one who loans.

  • CarbonScored [any]
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    1 month ago

    The way I'm reading this, it sounds like the IMF was just telling China how to use its own funds.