It's really frustrating, I was talking to someone about how successful China has been in de-radicalization of reactionaries. But they responded to this by saying they're only successful because, and I quote "put them all in concentration camps and killed them"
Has anyone here been successful in deprogramming people about this topic? If so any good sources I can use to dissuade them? I tried telling them that the UN report, if you read it, just says that there's concerns about abuse by internment offcials, and there's no evidence of genocide. But when I say this they just dismiss it as if the UN is controlled by the PRC. It's like a religion to liberals to believe anything bad about China and can get really frustrating.
My go to dunk is that there's zero Muslim majority nation that has even produced a comment on the Uyghur thing. It's 100% coming from Western nations with recent history of wars in the Middle East and Islamophobia.
And going this route, you find out whether your lib is a well meaning but politically naive potential comrade, or if they're a racist, chauvinistic chud.
On reddit you'll probably mostly get the latter. The chuddier libs love falling over themselves to talk about how literally every single Muslim majority country is governed without the consent of its people by theocratic despots who are fully supported and propped up by Chinese bribes. Just wild conspiracy shit like this rehashing the oldest racist tropes in the book without the slightest hint of self awareness.
People only ever bring up Xinjiang to dismiss China. It's nothing more than a trump card: "Oh, you think we should be less hostile toward China and listen to the Chinese? Uyghur genocide Taiwan independence Hong Kong protests Tiananmen square!!!"
You're never going to get through to people without confronting their chauvinism first because they can always pull another reason to hate China out of their ass. Part of that is investigating why they want to believe against China in the first place. Is it cope? Scapegoating? Plain racism?
Is it cope? Scapegoating? Plain racism?
Does anti-communist brainworms count?
I just don't get it, like okay, be anti-commie if you want, but why the fuck do you want to overthrow foreign governments? It's hypocritical coming from supposedly pro-peace libs.
Because they’ll all be replaced by wholesome 100 keanu chungus pupperino western european style governments with perfect scores in the Freedom Eagle Democracy Ranking, just ask Yeltsin
to open new markets and destroy fixed capital, both of which will temporarily paper over the falling rate of profit. that's not a conscious motivation for the squishy libs, but they will follow obediently the mainstream progression as bourgeois media demonizes the enemy and invents atrocities. pro-peace libs are against all wars except the current ones
China is as real as Mordor to most of us, it's an idea that needs to exist in order for people to feel better about themselves
There always needs to be a greater evil to hold the US up against. This is the only thing keeping the guns pointed at the rabble rousers instead of the reptiles in their marble buildings in D.C. People will not only accept, but defend any atrocity as long as they believe the alternative is unthinkably worse.
Taiwan independence
They always seem to forget that there is not a single nation-state on the planet that recognizes the island of Taiwan as independent from a Chinese state.
Hong Kong protests
Best part was the "Chinese Colonizers Get Out" banner. I can't believe China is colonizing an indigenous British city in checks notes Asia. Another highlight was the mindless propaganda-regurgitating redditor who posted the "Free Hong Kong" graphic, but in a display of their incredible laziness and lack of genuine fucks to give about the people there, translated the "free" to mean literally "free of charge" in the Chinese text.
Tiananmen square
One hundred gazillion dead bicycles never forget
These days I just give them the
and tell them to shut up. Pretty much all of the Uyghur libs I know have been complete ass on Gaza and i have exactly zero patience for their fake tears.Pretty much all of the Uyghur libs I know have been complete ass on Gaza
Been my experience exactly
No crocodile tears for Muslims when it can't be used in a racist tirade against China
If you go to feddit.org (don't actually, this is just a thought exercise) you will see a lot good takes on gaza but still the uighur genocide lies. They have this one poster who I'm 08.15% sure is employed by NED because of the frequency of the china hating articles they post. But nothing on Gaza, completely abandoned that point.
Pretty cool idea but I feel like I'd like to actually educate people who are willing to listen.
You talking about people you talk to in person or ate you talking about people online?
I don't believe I have ever, and I do mean ever, met a person irl who cared enough about the "Uyghur genocide" to mention it if I'm (lightly) glazing China. Typically it's not even glazing. Just "so... why and how can China, the "inferior" nation, build high speed rail across their massive country but the mighty US can't? Shouldn't we do it too just to prove we're number one?"
There was definitely a solid ~1 year when it was mentioned non-stop online by the same dipshits who will bring up double genocide rhetoric to "discredit" the USSR. Or those who deny the crimes of the Israelis. Or, hell, those who deny the crimes of the objectively worst of all offenders... the USA. But even many "on the left" in the first world are not ready to touch the subject of the crimes of the US/EU/NATO before 1945 and especially since then. It's much easier to condemn the "totally, actually, independent and foreign nation of Israel." And then once you get that, well, they've already admitted to some of the crimes of the US right there even if they don't know it yet. But, I've gone off topic... oh well
I don't believe I have ever, and I do mean ever, met a person irl who cared enough about the "Uyghur genocide" to mention it if I'm (lightly) glazing China.
There was a post on here a few months ago about a university professor who legitimized the idea in class, even going as far as saying that Uyghurs were not considered a real ethnic group in China (basic, bottom-of-the-barrel lie that even a half-second of research would have contradicted).
so... why and how can China, the "inferior" nation, build high speed rail across their massive country but the mighty US can't? Shouldn't we do it too just to prove we're number one?
The problem with trying this is that the reasoning doesn't go from considering national accomplishments to determining superiority/inferiority, it's actually the other way around. National status is predetermined through a series of racist tropes and everything else is viewed in light of that. China isn't superior because they can build high-speed rail, the HSR network is actually a totalitarian means of 1984 big brother control because China is inferior. The US isn't inferior because they can't build HSR, our inability to do so reflects our spirit of freedom because we are superior.
met a person irl who cared enough about the "Uyghur genocide" to mention it if I'm (lightly) glazing China
I'm curious, do you talk to PMCs much? Cause this happens to me more often than not whenever China comes up in conversation even in the most innocuous way
North Korea also gets the most random of strays whenever people talk about something bad that happened
Private military contractors? Yeah, I hang out with the Cheneys every weekend and strategize the future of my company Black Something. That's its name. It maximizes 'nefarious ambiguity'. (I want a check from Eric Prince if he uses this)
Jokes aside, I used to talk to people constantly for jobs, although of course the topic of geopolitics rarely came up. It wasn't something I would bring up for obvious reasons, but I would try to offer what I'd call "neutral engagement" if they did. You can talk about stuff like building massive solar farms and only certified freaks are gonna get defensive over that. My dad's in his 60s and loves solar. Not for reasons I do, but in the end I don't really care.
Usually people didn't know literally anything or if they had heard of the supposed genocide they weren't confident discussing it. I don't blame normal people for being unfamiliar, although I do blame them for blindly leaning on stories while knowing nothing. I think a lot of people do default to "hey, but what do I know?" as soon as they're questioned literally at all.
I assume like HR people and low level managers fall under the title PMC.
I'm pretty good at "reading people" though like how they react to me or things I say. And I will absolutely adapt and change the topics if I detect any chuddery. Stuff like cheap, actually efficient and good solar appeals to chuds though. Or the high speed rail although that is a longer path to travel to get them to see a payoff. Solar is individual enough, or can be and is in the US, that it's like a "no shit, cheaper electricity sounds great" instant sell.
I feel like I'm totally avoiding the genocide stuff because... people don't even know about it say anything. I don't know if that's good or bad??? I guess good but like in a facepalm "fuck..." way. Like the most I ever hear or heard is a general sentiment that "they're bad." The Taiwan warmongering bullshit from the US is way more prominent in my experience. Americans just genuinely, and again this is like a good thing for bad reasons thing, don't give a shit about genocides. Like China could do a genocide for real and no one would care. They only care a little bit about Gaza because it's a "why are we funding this? That seems dumb!" thing for most people. I wish it was for moral reasons, but it just isn't for most people. This probably speaks to another thing I'll cram in then stfu. "Genocide" as a concept is totally and fully misunderstood in the US, and probably a lot of countries but I can't speak for them. People have absolutely no idea what happened during the Holocaust in general, they have no idea that other mass murdering events can be and are considered in the same grouping as the Holocaust, etc. I thought people knew more, but uh, I should just never assume anything ever again.
And NK is treated more as a joke if people ever mention it at all. That's also another country average Americans have not even the faintest shred of a clue about. It kinda makes it easier to persuade people because like if you start talking and have actual real knowledge, maybe bring up some shit on your phone periodically to show you didn't just make up the last sentence, a lot of people seem to sort of default to "uh, sure, dude... ok... yeah, that makes sense. Look, I don't give a shit. Sure, I agree!" Of course that opinion changes every time they hear anything different... so, I dunno, it all feels rather pointless in the end. sigh
In person. It goes without saying the internet is full of shit opinions
Do a google image search with them for “Uyghur genocide.” There is absolutely nothing there, aside from a picture published by the Chinese government of some grumpy dudes sitting in a prison yard. Then compare this with an image search for Gaza. This worked with one lib I knew in the past. He doesn’t talk about the Uyghur genocide anymore. But he is still a fucking lib.
There is also an uncut YouTube video out there of someone walking around Urumqi I think and just watching people speak Uyghur and chill out. Hardly seems genocidal.
Either China has the most sophisticated censorship apparatus ever conceived of where they can prevent any and all photos or videos from leaving the country....or there just isn't an ethnic cleansing happening at all. It's pretty hard for libs to believe in a genocide in China when you point to stuff coming out of Palestine. Even videos from Ukraine can be found of Russians doing awful shit (and vice versa). Or just Abu Ghraib.
There's always people whose conscious gets the better of them and will leak things like this happening. It happened during the Holocaust, Bosnian War, Rwandan genocide, etc. Of course, you get absolutely brainwormed libs who will say "because the Chinese are genetically prone to genocide and everything there is worse than 1986 holodoor."
Editing out my comment because I was thinking of a different photo
"put them all in concentration camps and killed them"
At some point I feel like they're self confessing their own thoughts about how to treat ethnic minorities and projecting onto china. You might have just been talking to a cryptofash.
I've been successful since I'm also Muslim and I can accuse them of islamophobia and only caring about Muslims when it's convenient in Xinjiang but "bad optics" in Palestine.
How could there be a genocide if no one was killed?
I've confronted this one guy a few years ago when he started to indirectly accuse me of shirk/takfiri because I openly state that I'm a communist and hold pro-China/CPC views. He very quickly went for the "Uyghur genocide" and got angry at me refuting it. My rationale was the high-sped rail connecting Xinjiang to the rest of China, the improving trends of quality-of-life statistics among Uyghurs (increased pay, employment, literacy rate, electrification, clean water, mechanized agriculture, dropping of infant mortality, reduction of poverty, etc.), videos of Xinjiang's culture, both from people who actually visited and from GCTN, the fact that Uyghurs are also Chinese citizens, multiple other sources refuting claims of anything resembling a genocide and of course, literally that the claims originated from a certain German preacher who's also a Nazi sympathizer. Or simply enough that I'm from a country whose former and current heads of state have very openly stated that "Western powers have no right to make claims of the rest of the world". South Africa and Namibia have also praised China's efforts in Xinjiang as recently as early 2024.
I also did a little thought exercise and asked if it is "also" colonization for anyone to move from Berlin to Frankfurt, or from Tallinn to Narva. Easily answered no. Then of course the person in question still considers it colonization for someone to move from Guangzhou or Shanghai to Urumqi. The last question I asked if it is colonization for a person to move from say, Johannesburg to Cape Town - This was "difficult to answer". Obviously it's only "difficult" or "too political" because South Africa is no longer a West-aligned country.
Also he supposedly delegitimized much of the Palestinian solidarity movements solely because it was spearheaded by the South African Communist Party over 20 years and many pro-Palestinian groups and individuals in South Africa of all faiths and backgrounds are active members of the SACP, or at least supportive of them. Oh, he definitely agrees that Shitrael is committing a genocide against Palestine, but presumably doesn't like it when communists (especially South Africans) wave Palestinian flags in the streets.
Funny that no one in South Africa ever called me "political" or "takfiri".
Well it's pretty simple, ask them if they trust the US after all they did to Muslims around the world. If they are "neither Washington nor Beijing" type leftists then you can have a constructive discussion and patiently explain your point of view and acknowledge theirs in good faith. If they do trust the US then they can't be salvaged and just agree to disagree on believing anything coming from the western block
If they do trust the US
not a good look if that person claims to be a leftist
Maybe I'm actually crazy, but there was a time like a year or two ago when it seemed like the US actually gave up all pretenses and admitted it was bullshit? (edit:I should say it later seemed like this may have been reversed). I distinctly remember a collective cathartic sigh on then Twitter that the uyghur slander thing was FINALLY coming to an end. I definitely remember a NED tweet from well before then basically laying claim to supporting sowing extremism in the region, but I could also swear there was a major outlet expose (maybe multiple exposes) months later detailing all the state department bullshit surrounding the situation (e.g. deliberately mistranslating/mislabeling "job centres" to torture camps or something to that effect, and so on)
Pretty sure they did, the state department said it didn't happen or at least there was no evidence, and then they picked right back up again
Watch them go right back to it after genociding muslims in gaza for real.
It seems to have died down in the news (I mean not really — the recent NATO War summit has shifted the anti-China narrative in the media to "China is militarily supporting Russia") but a lot of generic TV slop tries to insert China bad narratives in episodes.
You'd think we'd have a leftist wiki with a page on a subject like this with a sentence about an event like this with citation(s).
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Vocational_Education_and_Training_Centers Ask and ye shall receive.
I'm surprised not many people posted this. Thanks comrade
Is this a sarcastic comment pointing out we do have one? Because if so hook a brotha up
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Vocational_Education_and_Training_Centers We do. Prolewiki.
Amazing resource.
Just say their own government supports israel so they're not allowed to have an opinion on china
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf
So no mention of the word genocide, and just concerns about possibly arbitrary detentions in 2017-2019, gotcha. Thanks a lot for the source. I wonder how people react to this when they can now see a patently open genocide on social media anytime they want.
Serious human rights violations have been committed in XUAR
Allegations of patterns of torture or ill-treatment, including forced medical treatment and adverse conditions of detention, are credible
There are serious indications of violations of reproductive rights
The extent of arbitrary and discriminatory detention... may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity.
Genocide is a fashionable term to throw around these days, and much argued over; but the UN report you all keep lauding doesn't seem particularly flattering when actually read.
The extent of arbitrary and discriminatory detention...
Nice of you not following with the part where it says that the extent is unknown, and the report on forced medical treatment, poor conditions of detention and violations of reproductive rights, is based on anonymous interviews to a few tens of people, as is literally any source that makes these claims because there's no other evidence to support those claims, despite it being 7 years since the beginning of the supposed atrocities. It brings nothing new to the table compared to the old Amnesty International report, based on the same methodology, proving further that no real findings have been made.
Also, your comment of "genocide being a fashionable term these days" is absolutely crazy.
Do you mean the bit before where it says "2017-2019 and potentially thereafter"?
Of course interviews are few and anonymous, and information is scarce: much of the premise of the report is that it's hard to get access, and that anyone known to be giving testimony will be at risk of harm.
What you are doing is interpreting based on the report, and on other evidence - but the discussion earlier and elsewhere in this thread is that the UN report itself goes against the genocide claim, and that people just don't read it. But it seems to me, if one is to simply read it, it's clear the UN believes there were, and probably still are, serious and systematic human rights violations against the Uighurs.
As to 'genocide' as a term, I do think it's fashionable - a buzz word - like 'terrorism', often bandied around when the author wants people to feel the thing is truly serious and unpardonable, but not always with good care as to the meaning. Hence it gets often argued about with respect to various events, even in cases when the main facts of the event is mostly undisputed.
Of course interviews are few and anonymous, and information is scarce
Funny how in the age of information we get daily videos of Palestinian children being bombed, but after seven years there's not much in the way of actual demonstrable evidence other than anonymous reports. Fucking hell, what's the racial divide in imprisoned population in the USA, with actually demonstrable systematic racially motivated police murders, and where's the UN report on that.
I go "how could you be worried about China at a time like this, with Saddam Hussein getting closer and closer to obtaining a nuke"
To be less facetious, it's easier now that we see what an actual genocide looks like in Palestine, you can just ask "If these impoverished people with unreliable communications to the outside world still have smartphones and internet, if they can upload their suffering despite every attempt to censor it, then where the fuck are all the horrifying gory videos from Xinjiang, a place that is not under seige or blockade? Don't you think if such videos existed, we in Amerika would never hear the end of it?"
And hey, if China is committing a genocide against Muslims, how come the US isn't arming and supporting them?
how come the US isn't arming and supporting them
reading this like 'but we do dammit!'
Gonna take this opportunity to bounce an argument off of you folks.
This supposed Uyghur genocide seems to have zero confirmed martyrs. No one is confirmed to have died in this genocide. So I like to ask people to name one person who has died in this genocide and folks never have any answers.
Some people like to say that it is a cultural genocide. Even madempanada said this. One could argue that hypothetically you could culturally genocide a people without killing one of them. But reality does not turn out this way because it turns out that peoples are intimately linked with their cultures and they don't usually just accept their culture's erasure without fighting back. This often leads to violent encounters which leads to people dying. But the supposed Uyghur genocide does not have any incident like this.
Meanwhile actual cases of genocide always have confirmed reports of people dying during the struggle. Rohingyas in Myanmar, the Muslims in Kashmir and so on. Seems like the Uyghur are unique in the fact that they don't fight back and instead delegate their struggle to NGOs based in Washington lead by Guantanamo translators.
One thing that I find to be very odd about the Uyghur genocide accusations is that we are currently witnessing a genocide in Palestine and it is being extremely well documented through social media posts, news coverage, etc. We can hear directly from the victims of the genocide and their families in near real-time and see direct evidence of what is happening because everyone there can document it using a phone that has a camera and a microphone.
It has to be said that we live in the age of social media where information always leaks out in some form or another no matter how much anyone in power within any system tries to stop it from doing so. If there were such a genocide occurring the victims would be documented, we would know their names, and we would see posts about it which show very clear evidence of this crime.
This is especially glaring as the USA attempts to ramp up to a new cold war with China (The US military has even released statements saying they consider themselves in a war footing with China, and nearly every new military RnD project is designed to counter Russia and China). If this genocide were happening, the documentation of it being done by the United States Government's most significant enemy would be everywhere on the news, you would be hearing constantly about the victims of such an act. It would be used to make the public favor economic warfare against China.
But we have seen almost no documentation or evidence of such a crime in the news, on social media, or anywhere else despite the fact that so many people have the tools to document it with ease.
It's a confluence of several forms of racism to put it naively. They see "the Chinese" as devious, where they could covertly culturally genocide you without you knowing anything about it, and other groups as too backwards to speak for themselves.
The genocide of Palestinians has thrown a spanner in the works of their racism factory because now they cannot accuse others of genocide as casually as they did before.
That is a very good analysis, IMO. The only way one could say they are doing it with such effective suppression of information is if they believed that:
A. The victims of this genocide are totally passive and not speaking out in an to attempt to stop it and have not done so for years.
B. The general public of China is marching in total 100% lock-step and nobody is brave enough or has any desire to sound an alarm about a genocide and again, have not done so for years.
It requires you to view the Chinese people as a totally monolithic entity that always does what the government wants them to do without any resistance or friction. As if, out of such a large group of people, not a single one would have desired to or found a way to leak definitive information about an ongoing genocide to the wider world.
This is also, once again, extremely strange that we aren't seeing more evidence about this in the west when, if it were happening, it would be used as a means to make the public hate the Chinese government and increase support for actions against them. We would see the evidence on the news constantly, the coverage would almost be inescapable.
It also can't be a cultural genocide (whatever vibes based analysis that would entail) because they are still considered an ethnic group part of China and not part of another ethnic group. Uyghurs have political representation in the CPPCC and people in China know they exist. It is literally called the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.
Meanwhile, the US has beyond a reasonable doubt committed a cultural and physical genocide on the various indigenous tribes in North America. From boarding schools where children were forced to give up all links to their culture to what the US literally calls "reservation camps" which native peoples are forced to live in total systemic poverty. The children who grow up in the US are not taught anything about indigenous cultures beyond the fact that the US displaced and exterminated them. Indigenous peoples couldn't even vote until the 1900s.
Xinjiang poses a threat to the settler class because it is an instance of a nation state actually resolving ethnic conflict not by state-backed terrorism and displacement. If people were to learn the truth about Xinjiang it would only endanger the grip that settler-colonialism has on the West.
It also can't be a cultural genocide (whatever vibes based analysis that would entail) because they are still considered an ethnic group part of China and not part of another ethnic group. Uyghurs have political representation in the CPPCC and people in China know they exist. It is literally called the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region
these cannot be applied as principle, the existence of administrative units and official recognition are components of a dignified reality but not necessarily indicative of one. Israel has an 'autonomous' administration for the palestinians in the west bank 'Palestinian Authority'. it does not protect the palestinians. the native reservations in the US are recognized and autonomous but cultural genocide is ongoing against indigenous populations because of the marginal economic position these autonomies are in relative to the white supremacist state, to say nothing of the land & resources. by all accounts China's autonomous regions & minority programs bring disproportionate funding and support in favor of its minorities, but it is not the simple existence of autonomous administration that makes it so.
Absolutely right, shows how China not only does the minimum required but exceeds it.
The thing is that concern trolls have conjured ample ammo to consider it a cultural genocide. It is mostly because they aim for a white Eurocentric envisionment of genocide that assuages their own guilt since it falsely equivocates state-designated enemies with themselves. For example, an American news outlet that I can't remember the name of won a major journalistic award off of this shit. (I think it was Pulitzer but I could be wrong.) The investigation involved looking at satellite images to discover what they supposed were demolished mosques.
So I asked within this context of their weird conception of genocide whether it is reasonable to ask them to find one confirmed martyr in this genocide.
I like to ask people to name one person
this seems like bad faith argumentation, can you offer specific names in "Rohingyas in Myanmar, the Muslims in Kashmir and so on" on the spot without any investigation?
also the characterization of no deaths and no fighting back is easily contradicted by the terror attacks. i wouldn't attempt to argue that the re-educational and deradicalization camps/schools the narrative revolves around are unrelated to those attacks.
anyway when you bring up the terror attacks it's relevant to make clear the US had the militant groups on the terror list & Uyghur prisoners in Guantanamo bay
Well I don't mean it in bad faith. I don't mean to put people on the spot with gotchas. I allow people to look into it as long as they want to. The point is that with both Kashmir and Rohingyas you can find confirmed kills, even massacres.
also the characterization of no deaths and no fighting back is easily contradicted by the terror attacks.
I don't understand this. Can you explain more?
there is a list here of terror attacks, mostly associated with the ETIM (East Turkestan Islamic Movement) shootings, bombings, car attacks
I still don't understand your point. Sorry. Do you mean to say that the terrorist attacks can be seen as the Uyghur people fighting back?
yes. those are uyghurs fighting the government, and many of them were killed i.e. martyrs. terrorist is just a political designation, many 'terrorists' can represent positive forces so simply arguing that being designated terrorist invalidates the ETIM is going to fall flat if you support or defend groups the US/Israel calls terrorist.
which is why US/NATO designations of uyghur terror groups as terrorists is an important factor
I can't say for sure that you are wrong. But the western consciousness does not acknowledge these terror attacks.
The last one happened in 2014 and the process of setting up reeducation centres happened after that, which is the foundation of the claims of genocide. Plus the terror attacks were terrorism in the rawest sense, which makes it almost impossible to frame them as a genuine struggle.
the terror attacks were terrorism in the rawest sense, which makes it almost impossible to frame them as a genuine struggle
if you can get into the details of specific acts, ideology, and background of these groups it indeed is hard to argue. all i'm saying is your initial argument should not be presented in a way that makes you look like a fool through the simple addition of context prior to 2014. no one died? these
terroristsfreedom fighters died
The really impressive thing is seeing gamers whip out the Uyghur genocide line to complain about not being allowed to make political discussion in their games.
Yes china is so powerful that suddenly gamers will abandon their no politics talk when a Chinese developer asks to not discuss politics in their sponsorship deal. Something I'd imagine most developers/publishers put in and nobody cares. But suddenly china does it (not really because this is one developer from China) and well now we have to bring up the bad evil china genocide and Hong Kong and Taiwan and just reveal we have the intellectual depth of napkin soaked in our own piss.
And the developer should be dragged for trying to hide their politics and their abuses to women in the studio, but of course gamers and libs cannot actually complain effectively because they only have blinders for china itself is bad.
believing propaganda
propaganda doesn't have to be false (even though it is in this case). the word has been loaded like this to imply that anything with a viewpoint to promote is false while pretending that mass media is objective when it promotes bourgeois viewpoints
I know what propaganda means, but in this case, they are believing false propaganda.
Is it safe to assume that this person also believes that Zion-occupied-Palestine is not suffering a NAT-involved genocide and that every toe stub in Ukraine since 1917 is genocide?
I'd just usually say somewhere in the line of "for a genocide, Urumqi or Kashgar sure has a lot of Uyghur language on their street signs/shops and just all around the city and its inhabitants are practicing their faith, culture and customs from all the vlogs I've seen on youtube." I just think that if there was a "genocide", it sure as hell is a terrible attempt if the goal was to eliminate a certain ethnic group so therefore, no genocide.
Explicitly exempting ethnic minorities from the 1 child policy is something id totally have done if i were trying to do a genocide. That just makes sense
Watch libs say all the vlogs are potemkin village style tricks to fool the more guillable westerners.
