I feel like I've actually encountered some Libs IRL and in other online spaces who at least sounded more intelligent. Every one that wanders in here just insists that their right, cites Wikipedia, and tries to troll people like a 14 year old who stole their moms laptop.
You think we'd occasionally get a somewhat more articulate one there but I've yet yo see it.
I've seen an hexbear user take the maximalist "stalin and soviet union did nothing wrong" stance and get lectured by an actual soviet historian but that was on another server. Smart people don't go looking for fights online.
You don't have to be a liberal to suggest to a comrade that "Stalin did some things wrong"
inb4 "stopped at Berlin" etcc
That wasn't the criticism. It was closer to a left-comm criticizing the Bolshevik's for betraying the revolution, ie Kronstadt etc.
Smart people don't go looking for fights online.
I feel called out.
Can we bring back the lil counter at the bottom of the page while we're at it
When you get banned or have a comment removed you should automatically get DMed a Feedback form. "Sorry to see you go! Tell us how we did!"
They could have articulated that better than just spamming "power dynamics" at people constantly.
Also the more I looked into it the more I was convinced they were a Destiny fan doing a bit.
Well specifically that whole power dynamics thing came up right when the Destiny sub was having a field day about Hasan having a sus age gap relationship with someone years ago. When someone pointed out the odd correlation in timing there they got really pissed about it.
Someone made a detailed post about it, but all their drama posts seemed to line up with things the Destiny sub were talking a lot about.
I think Hasan was a dating a Jackson? So the discourse went "Is the age gap problamatic?" >>>> "Is the age gap problamatic even if the younger person is more famous then you are even now, mr-twitch-politics-guy." I don't even remember if any of this was beyond rumor.
You can see how this became a firestorm.
I'm still surprised power dynamics is what stuck the most when "do you disagree?" was right there
I also found "Power dynamics" as a response to like every comment after a certain point to be legitimately funny. If I remember a years old thread correctly LS did respond with some arguments early on but defaulted to it as the comment count got real high.
Ah, then probably not the same person. Though their arguments were more "the evil authoritarian tankies are oppressing me by pointing out the flaws in my arguments" sort of thing, so they wouldn't fit in a thread about libs with cogent arguments.
The liberals that come here are specifically redditors, so they're all idiots
I totally forgot about that Onion-level shit. Haha.
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I'm somewhat ashamed to say that I own a piece of Morello merch -- some years back, he did a signature guitar wah-wah pedal with Dunlop. Funny thing is, it's just a regular Dunlop Crybaby wah, but with Zapatista graphics. I didn't already have a Crybaby, and the used market on those things dried up pretty badly during COVID lockdown, so I said fuck it, $5 above regular new price and I get EZLN livery on my wah? Count me the fuck in.
Then he went and did this NFT shit. God damn it, Tom.
Posting an RIP Colin Powell tweet is now officially the third most embarrassing thing any member of Public Enemy has ever done.
Tangential, but this website was unusable for a second during the whole GME spectacle.
Just the news area which is where I lurked haha probably made it unusable myself 😅
One of the early Bitcoin arguments was that it would help marginalized people in the global south who were cut off from traditional banking.
Fast forward to fairly recently, when some people in Palestine are using crypto to receive aid, Binance cut off access when Israel asked. No court orders necessary. Turns out crypto is easier to freeze than money in traditional banking.
Remember when people here said AI art was proletarianizing art by taking it from the """bourgeois""" artist class and putting it in the hands of the working class?
The treats AI makes aren't even GOOD treats is the stupid thing. At least Marvel movies have some fucking explosions and witty dialog, what's the appeal of a trailer for a fake SciFi movies where a cyborg lady with fucked up hands monologues to you?
Can you show me examples am curious not saying you are wrong
Hey! I was a liberal and a redditor who came here and was rehabilitated. Granted I didn't come here to fight
I was a liberal when I went to the subreddit, also not to pick a fight, so don't think I was trying to call out people in your position.
I didn't genuinely think you were calling people like me out lol :P
This is genuinely the answer to OP. The intelligent libs didn't stay libs when they got here
The only example I can remember is on another instance, around a year ago maybe. It was a surprisingly civil conversation between a liberal and some hexbears about the Korean War. The liberal actually knew dates and names of specific documents, knew the names of people on either side, knew stuff about 1950s diplomacy. So i was impressed. There was also a surprising lack of portraying North Korea as a cartoonish dictatorship where haircuts are illegal.
The liberal still used a liberal framework though and was completely wrong. Any bare level scrutiny over the claims would reveal them as imperialist and racist, but it's possibly the only time I saw a liberal around here have at least the bare minimum of a presentable argument.
Some libs can be better than a class reductionist commie. But with some of the posts on this site, you generally don't get the good faith libs. I hear plenty of bad takes here (sometimes I'm the one making them) and it only takes a random lib to wander in and be right once or twice.
I specifically remember a liberal that posted here having kind of a decent response to an argument I made. I don't even remember what the topic was, but I specifically remember being annoyed by it and feeling a bit b*tched out when a fellow hexbear swooped in to basically cover my ass (but also continue to back me up if I ever show the slightest weakness please).
Broadly though, the liberals that come here are all needlessly butt-hurt people that got super obsessively mad over some shit they saw posted, and essentially come to us pre-cooked in their desperation to "get even" emotionally.
I tend to assume most of the smart liberals are self-assured enough to not really care enough about us to post here.
yes, but they wouldn't be labelled a lib so this is a logical impossibility.
also, confirmation bias is at play here.
Libs IRL
i can believe that, some PMC are very good at their jobs
in other online spaces
nah
There's a few r/neoliberal power posters who put some effort in and have seemingly done some reading.
i think if we'd managed to stay federated with like 90% of the annoying instances we probably would've gotten one or two over the years. unfortunately our posting power was too strong to sail undetected
One or two, in exchange for hundreds of just the most shit takes that they hear or read from the mainstream media or "common wisdom"
I feel like we always get ones that are impossibly embarrassingly smug, like to the point where if they said the sky was blue I'd avoid mentioning my opinions on the sky's colour to avoid association
The smartest lib I've ever encountered basically copy-pasted the technical definition of production functions and tried to use it as a bludgeon in defense of marginalism, that's it, I've literally never encountered any lib here or on the old sub who ever approached that level of misguided articulation
It's genuinely hilarious how badly miseducated libs on lemmy are, I've yet to see a single one give a convincing definition of the main terms we use, let alone back up their supposedly grounded opposition to our ideologies, they can't even define their own ideology
I have yet to see anything more sophisticated than "the other guy is worse, though"
