Imagine getting outflacked from the left by a normal green socdem when you call yourself a democratic "socialist"
God the Overton Window in the US is so fucked lmao
Seriously, Greens would be considered conservatives in Cuba or even France. Yet they're still somehow leftwing extremists compared to progressives within the DNC.
At least in other places it seems like the economy receding or stagnating has led to some measured resurgence of keynesianism or some resistance to neoliberalism in forms that are distinct from fascism, i.e. left wing populism. In the US the only response to the failure of neoliberalism is more neoliberalism, and anyone who wants an alternative is attacked as a stooge for the fascists (who also just want more neoliberalism).
God the Overton Window in the US is so fucked lmao
I have low expectations and still I was surprised by Kamala “FUCK YOU I LOVE FRACKING” Harris’ showing during the debate
She seriously sounded like an early aughts Republican it was quite jarring
They do actually have a shot at winning though.
As much as people like Claudia are 100x better, the Green's have over 270 possible electoral votes
AOC wouldn't be shit-stirring (against a party that she once campaigned for) unless shit was really hitting the fan for the dems.
Can you give me a source for that? I saw the Breakfast club interview, and as much as I want to believe they have a genuine chance to win many electoral votes, are they not just mostly scrambling to get enough Dem voters to force Dems to make concessions?
To be completely honest, no candidates are likely to beat the Imperialist/Fascist combo of Kamala/Trump.
However, the Green's have waaaaay over 270 possible electoral votes
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Versus the map that the Dems keep sharing
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And they're having AOC campaign against her old party (and acting like she's never even heard of the Green Party that she took the Green New Deal from)
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That, along w/ forcing large lib talk-shows to shit on RFK/Stein/Claudia, makes me think that the dem's internal polls must be abysmal and they are 100% not winning.
Can we get the libs on board for anything left of "hunting the poors for sport"? Likely not
Edit: To clarify, I would vastly prefer the PSL, but I think the Greens have a genuine shot (albeit, likely very naive of me to think so)
Greens don't really have any shot to do anything of substance. But voting for them pisses off libs so it's the best option for voting currently.
And they're having AOC campaign against her old party (and acting like she's never even heard of the Green Party that she took the Green New Deal from)
Tbf If i’m a high level politician with the dem, i would keep a person who betrays her old party on a leash and keep giving them crumbs
The reason why voting Green is productive(ish) is that if they get a high enough % than they get certain rights as a "legitimate" party. Certain federal funds and ballot access are the basic ones. I think if they get a certain amount then they'll also be included in the presidential debates. If they ever get that far it may just tip their legitimacy enough to make them a viable third-party.
I think if they get a certain amount then they'll also be included in the presidential debates.
like most things in the us political system this is actually not formalized and afaik is just a handshake deal between the parties and the news networks that put on the debates. I've heard polling thresholds bandied about in the past for primary debates but only as a way to exclude candidates, never a consistent number that small parties can actually reach.
What I want to see is third parties targeting local and state elections where they have a chance of getting in office as opposed to presidential elections which are just neutered demonstrations. I must see the PSL take Chattanooga.
Is there a reason why we haven't seen this happen?
I get that PSL does the Presidential campaign for exposure, but I don't see why they don't do local campaigns where they could actually organize a victory. Shit like that is why I feel like participating in PSL would just be pointless protests without much substance or wins.
Granted, I feel that way about the other parties too. I also talk a lot of shit about DSA but at least they've ran candidates and won.
i've been saying, these days in western capitalist countries being to the left of mussolini is considered a threat to the system.
The problem with the Overton window argument is that democrats move right even when they win
"We lost? It's because we didn't do enough to appeal to conservative voters!" "We won? In the spirit of unity, it's time to work across the aisle with our Republican colleagues."
Jill Stein living rent free in AOC's head has been extremely funny.
All of AOC attemps at dunking on her just helping her by making her and her policies more well known and all Jill has been doing is saying "ok but you support genocide" which keeps pissing her off
aoc is struggling with the cognitive dissonance of still seeing herself as a moral person while being a nazi party stooge.
Why is aoc even tweeting about jill stein thats like essentially promoting her.
Collecting PlayStation 2 games was such a cheap hobby back then
"hey it's me, i mean you, i'm from the future. you're not ready to hear this, but...
spoiler
they're all nazis!!
... you should spend that $27 on weed"
unfortunately you now are on all DNC mailing and texting lists forever
This is the saddest truth of it. Their texts are the fucking worst.
I don't want to do the math on how much I've donated but I can tell you now its been more than $27.
My then girlfriend convinced me to join her in donating hundreds to candidates like Bernie, AOC, and other smaller, local people. We even bought cringe merch. I never wore it, even while they were still in our good graces.I was always very skeptical of them but thought and hoped maybe I would be proven wrong, and if it went well then it would very much be worth it. It was my first time but I'll never donate to these social fascist campaigns again.
AOC is doing what Democratic Party leadership tells her to. Do you disagree?
I dunno, I think she's a real go-getter of a sellout and a comprador. She puts in the extra hours and takes initiative on ways to betray and backstab the movement she sprang from. She's a dedicated student of historic sheepdogs and an innovative disruptor in the field of movement breaking.
Dems must be scared a lot of the poll numbers in swing states if they decided to send one of their most known member to pick a twitter fight with jill stein
They've been going nuts in GA trying to keep all 3rd parties off the ballot
Nice cooperation between Republican judges and the Democratic party to keep them out too
reaching across the aisle to smother democracy. truly an new era of unity
where is de la cruz at? PSL need a special (extremely well-adjusted) poster
I hate AOC more and more, there should be no illusion that she is looking for a long career as a Democrat party sheepdog. I always like Stein.
if the green party is a threat to your candidate they're already cooked
Ah, the tried and true succdem tactic of “punching left” (at other succdems lmao). Worked great in Germany in the last 20s, the SPD secured power for eternity and Germany has achieved socialism.
Democrats try not to do genocidal imperialism for one presidential term challenge (impossible)
Stein is actually a pretty powerful poster
74 years old and dunking like that is baller.
Organize, build power and infrastructure. For some reason she decided to do that in Israel .
I would entryism does not work but these people already know it, they just don't wanna say it
Entryism works perfectly well, though: it advances your personal brand, nullifies energy that would otherwise go into building dual power, and gets you a successful career of perpetually failing upwards until you become Nancy Pelosi.
Entryism works (for the people who get in and reap the benefits of a seat in congress)
Worlds greatest democracy btw
