After spending a couple days interacting with them, I have come to agree with the common sentiment hexbear already had that it's probably not worth trying to persuade a small number of steadfast neoliberals among those of us with limited patience, which includes myself.
If I'm a wimp and you still want to go buck wild, of course.
But the suggestion I got that .ee would probably be a better staging ground is at this point taken to heart. Since we are federated with them, I think the thing to do is make (appropriate, non-hostile) posts in .ee communities where the purpose of the comm adequately fits with topics that it would be useful to discuss.
As with my last post, which was misbegotten, it's just a thought I had
Aw, don't retract. The reality with these things is always that the person you're arguing with will practically never change their mind, but other people who view the conversation might. I don't think agitating on .world is for many people, probably very few, but I would argue it results in something.
I swear I'm not saying this just to be mean, but the other problem is that lemmy.world is really boring. Like, actually go through the .world front page and imagine having to respond - even positively - to the majority of these posts.
Something I've realized with them is that liberals are just completely incurious about the world. They just want to repeat the stuff they know over and over forever, it's the same arguments every time. You can't discuss things like history or theory or really anything that isn't about signaling you're on their side in the presidential race. It sucks.
Imagine being mad about being brigaded by people who can't downvote you.
I wrote on .world that progressives losing interest in Harris was her own fault for being a conservative and supporting a genocide, and they just downvoted me and accused me of being a troll.
I still try to antagonize on reddit, it's feels more like that picture of the jester and the dogs with a touch of Jurassic park, move too fast and they ban your ass, move slow af and maybe bit by bit like water shaping the grand Canyon, but sometimes you get them to snap TF, had some neolib snap against capitalism with some egging on using a horror world anecdote and leaving it open ended enough for him to fill in the blank and not resist.
Best thing I've found is showing the just world deal a lot of naive neolibs (not the ones fed by it and comfortably aware of it) is pure happy horseshit, and the whole blaming human nature for the flaws of capitalism is a scam/logical error depending the audience on there.
I like arguing with reddit.world but I have a terrible sickness, no one should be like me!
I don't actually believe online debate works. So, if you want to agitate, it has to be nonconfrontational at its core. Once there is conflict people just get dug in to the preexisting notions, and because online discourse is so depersonalized there can be no way to bridge that gap. At that point you're just another random encounter in the posting RPG.
honestly id rather slam my dick in a car door than engage with any of these people
But the suggestion I got that .ee would probably be a better staging ground is at this point taken to heart.
I want to believe that, but the most recent and particularly disgusting liberal visitor to a Hexbear thread had the .ee suffix. The posting wasn't even about political shit; it was an out of nowhere all out concern trolling offensive in heroic (and performatively apathetic) defense of... fucking Pearl Jam.
Apparently not liking Pearl Jam makes you 12 years old and (ableistic insults here). Also chanting "who cares" and "no one cares" magically banishes the "NPCs" that came there to say Pearl Jam was mid or even sucks. How dare they, in a thread that was about someone saying Pearl Jam sucked.
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I saw that person too, though not whatever protracted discourse went down. I'm not saying we can reach anyone anywhere. Hell, I don't think we can reach everyone on Hexbear. I just think we can reach enough people that it's worth a shot.
I want to believe. I don't know enough about .ee suffix people to know for sure.
I know heil.hit.ler is way too far gone, and brogramming.chud is a bootlicking clownshow.
Apparently, yes. And those people care so much about Pearl Jam that they performatively "could care less" and get really mad about Pearl Jam getting criticized about chant "who cares" and "no one cares" while accusing the naysayers of being 12. Because maturity is all about performatively not caring and getting mad about it.
.ee is one of the instances that survives of other instances comms to get posts, they have a few big comms but most of their users sub to other instances for posts.
I just browse "All" by default, not sure what I'm missing by not curating subs. Probably around 50% of the posts are from hexbear on average
Please, .ee isn't ready for Skyrim takes (they totally sre and you should do it)
Not to slander all of .ee, the two users from that instance in the Skyrim thread were such utter smuglords. The vast majority of other users were reasonable but reading those two was like teleporting to gamefaqs.
In the first draft of the post, I was going through comms and picking out potentially relevant ones before deciding it was superfluous and also there were too many comms. They've got lots of comms for news and issues centering on various parts of the world, a dedicated "Israeli crimes" comm in addition to their Palestine comm. "Collapse" had potential to go either way, which is fitting.
Anyway, it's not too hard to search them if there's anything specific that you're looking for: https://lemm.ee/communities
a dedicated "Israeli crimes" comm in addition to their Palestine comm.
Damn you make .ee sound kinda rad.
They've got some cool ones but also a Conservative and a Neoliberal comm. It's a severely mixed bag in the style of old Reddit. They do have cool comms though.
Their neoliberal comm is a ghost town. The last post was a year ago, there's only one page of posts, and all the posts are by the comm's mod. Very few comments too.
Good point. I didn't investigate their comms very closely after a while, but I probably should have looked before I mentioned it like it was a real thing. I think I just assumed because there's a bit more activity on Conservative.
I think instead of focusing in interacting with users from an specific instance, we should instead focus on popular/active comms from other instances like maybe global news from lemmyzip, science memes from mander or the many movie/tv comms from ee
largest comms are
- https://hexbear.net/c/moviesandtv@lemm.ee
- https://hexbear.net/c/artporn@lemm.ee
Yes but also it's with avoiding by their rules if it means we can get a few more (appropriate) Hexbear posts out there
We can do it
It even gives cause to say "yeah the mods here don't want pirated content but !movies@hexbear.net would be s super down for this sort of thing, you should post it there". Boom. Mission Completed
it's with avoiding by their rules
I think you meant abiding.
There's no shame in trying and correcting course when you realize it wasn't leading you down the right path.
I have infinite patience and am happy to be a soldier in the posting wars. If you are patient enough, liberal replying in bad faith eventually just tire themselves out, descending into a childish, repetitive rage.
Combine that with someone else dunking and making fun of them and you've got what's known as the complete package.
It's not for everyone, though. Lemmy.world folks can rapidly get very racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc.
For the effort. I'm glad you made it back in one piece.I didn't post it. So I can't say "I told you so," but I thought you so.
Just because you can bully liberals on the Dirtbag HQ server doesnt mean you should.
thank you for your service agitating for the cause comrade
