Been some mildly good news we've been getting over the last week or so, comrades...

  • glimmer_twin [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Considering they literally spoke at the Trump love-in that was the RNC, methinks a presidential pardon will be in the offing

      • AbolishAmerikkka [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        There is a whole big list of crazy shit like this that they have done somewhere. They are total psychos.

      • mick_nullen [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Central Reform and their rabbi saved probably over a hundred people from getting arrested during the first night of the Stockley verdict protests. Absolute legends. Didn't know they were next door but hey that's StL for ya. Truly good people who care about righting the social maladies present in their community right next door to the most ogre-like scum in America.

    • QuillQuote [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      JEEZE, the left is just as violent and hateful as the right smdh my dang head

  • Mardoniush [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I love the news, but also the concept of a Grand Jury is abhorrent why do you still have this?

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      Like most horrible institutions in America like the Senate and the Constitution, we still have it in the minds of the people because we've always had it and the way the US government is is perfect because America is the best. The real reason we have all this bad stuff is that it serves the interests of capital that we have it.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        I mean shall we start with the fact it's an unscreened unrepresentative jury, denies right to counsel, denies right to confront and cross examine, is not open to media scrutiny, can force the presentation of self incriminating evidence under threat of prison, can present evidence unconstitutionally obtained, is often used to intimidate and imprison without proper trial, doesn't accomplish its stated role of preventing malicious charges and in fact excaberates it, and has been eliminated everywhere else except for your colony Liberia?

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          Arguably the larger issue is that law enforcement has so much power to force people into plea agreements instead of trials. The reason grand juries are so prosecutor-friendly is that you're supposed to have a right to a jury trial where the facts can be tested in an adversarial setting in front of people who are supposed to be skeptical of what you're being accused of. In theory, that might be reasonable.

          In practice, something like 95% of criminal cases don't go to trial, and many trials don't involve a jury. Some of that is because the defendant is clearly guilty -- legitimate crimes do happen, and sometimes you get indisputable video evidence. But some of it is because the law and public perception is so tilted towards cops and prosecutors that arguably innocent defendants are bullied into plea agreements when in a perfect system they would get their day in court.

  • BOK6669 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Can someone explain to me what evidence was tampered with? The video in link doesn't make sense.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      I think it's the gate to the street. The one the McCloskeys said was ripped off (to rationalize their reaction) when there's video showing that wasn't the case, that the protestors were just holding it open and peacefully walking through. I think the McCloskeys tampered with it after the fact to make it look like it was destroyed by protestors.

      • JayTwo [any]
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        They fucked up their own gate to manufacture an alibi?

        Reading about their previous...antics... I'm not surprised, though.

    • quartz [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Kinda late, but whatever.

      It wasn't the gate; its much, much weirder than that. Memory's a little fuzzy, but as far as I remember, they were involved in a legal capacity in a guns case. This gun was an illegally modified pistol, don't know if it was some kinds mod to approximate automatic fire or what but it was heavily illegal. The modded gun ends up going missing or something at the end of the case, no one really checks up on it. UNTIL it turns up in the hands of the broomstick-haired lady with the business end pointed at the protest procession. Yadda yadda yadda, media blitz and counter-blitz go on, arrests and subpoenas issued, and surprise surprise, the gun is found, in pieces, probably to remove the illegally modified component. That's a big no-no, but the disappeared evidence makes it hard to prove, so they charge them for fucking around with the evidence, which can be pretty bad if it's likely the evidence was of a serious crime.

      I would guess that the prosecutor, a black woman every racist chud hates like she's the antifa CFO even though she's pretty much a milquetoast lib (big improvement over before though!!) probably knows all this. Though grand juries are known to be a little wacky sometimes, she probably has good evidence that the above crowd-sourced info is correct, and grand juries are heavily influenced by prosecutor intent. It's fairly hard to get destruction of evidence to stick because it's so circumstantial, so it's probably not going to fizzle out. Governor might even be brave enough to pardon the brandishing charge, but spooked away from literally hiding and modifying a gun charge. I'd guess the ATF is probably only not involved because they're rich, white, politically charged, and the ATF sucks ass lmao.

      tl;dr: that pistol the woman had was probably illegal as shit, they broke it open to destroy the evidence, but were caught with it still in pieces, probably thinking that would save their asses